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08/28/2007

When up against a straight, you never have to fold!

by Jeremy Hooper

Outside-LgThis Sunday day at Milville, New Jersey's Cumberland County Community Church, Rev. Sal Roggio will preach a sermon about how gays can "change" their sexual orientations, as well as feature testimony from professional "ex-gay" Greg Quinlan.

3DollarchipMeanwhile, in nearby Atlantic City, New Jersey's Borgata hotel and casino, many people will enjoy the varied gambling opportunities that are made available to them.

So what do these two situation have in common, you ask? Well, in both cases, you must play the game that feels right for you. If you don't like to "poker" but are into "black Jacks," then you have to step up to that table. If you're a dude who acknowledges that the cards you've received are those of "A-Queen," then you might not only meet the aforementioned black Jack (who you'll never want to hit), but you might also have a Chip or two wanting to get into your pants. Or if you are lady who wants to "poker," then who knows -- you might not ever get a straight, but you just might meet your Queen of Hearts. However, if you guys or gals venture over to the the world where people throw crap, you are never going to reach the "pair-a-dice" that you are seeking. Or if you try and buy into the machine that tells you to stick your thingies into the wrong slot (boys) or pull a lever that doesn't feel right (gals), you're gonna be left both soft and cold. That's because in either the game of life or the games of chance, you must play the hand you've truly been dealt if you wish to cash in. And you must place your bets on the fact that the game that does and has always feel right to you is the one you were meant to play. There are always going to be dealers out there who will try to sell you on their own deceptive games, the likes of which pay no attention to actual rules and which regular employ fraud and trickery. However, the stakes in those games are far too high. And both your wealth and well-being are far too precious to gamble against the logical odds!

For more on the roulette game in which Rev. Roggio will hope he's been right to put all of his money on Leviticus and Romans 1, then click the link below. But if you are someone who has instead bet on actuality, science, and more concrete Biblical concepts, then you just might want to walk away while you're still ahead in the game of not being annoyed by a religious extremist on a Tuesday afternoon.

Pastor says he wants to tell truth about homosexuality [Press of Atlantic City]

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I read the article from the link you provided Jeremy. These pastors always see homosexuality as a choice like picking up a bottle of alcohol is for an alcoholic. And Greg Quinlan has debated Wayne Benson from Truth Wins Out about his so called change from gay to straight. Wayne has called him out many times saying he is still gay but repressing his natural feelings. Greg Quinlan is nothing more than a professional "ex-gay". I would love to see in Greg's heart if he truly has changed or not. Or if its nothing more than a lot of repression of his real feelings and desires.

What of all the gay and lesbian Christians I wonder? Thankfully I am not one to fall into the trap of self-loathing like Rev. Sal Roggio would like me to so I can so call "change" to what he believes I should be according his view of God.

Yes, as one that has accepted Christ I did change.In fact, I am constantly changing. But those changes have been towards my greater love for God and for others as the Bible so explicitly has demonstrated. My feelings towards the same-sex haven't changed. In fact, I am more accepting of my sexuality than I have ever been.

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Posted by: eric | Aug 29, 2007 4:13:10 AM

I happen to know Pastor Sal very well and he is a ver caring and knowledgable man. He has helped countless number of people with many types of problems. He donates all of his time and resources to give to help anyone in need. Your disrespect for such a man without knowing him is appalling. He is not attacking anyone he is offering help for those who are seeking it. If you needed help with an issue wouldn't you want to be able to find it. And if you think putting all your money on what God has to say is a bad bet then I wouldn't want to be you.

Posted by: Rich | Aug 30, 2007 9:25:42 PM

Rich: Yea? We disrespected Pastor Sal? That's funny, as it would seem we merely spoke out against the cruel and mean-spirited "ex-gay" idea.

And you really think putting money on the "ex-gay" movement is placing a bet on "what God has to say?" Interesting. Very interesting.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Aug 30, 2007 11:00:25 PM

Why is it cruel and mean spirited to tell someone what they are doing, in God's eyes is a sin? If sin condemns you, wouldn't you want to know that what you were doing is against God's laws? Jesus says we are to take the message to the ends of the earth and tell people that there is a way to be saved from sin. Jesus died on the cross to take our sin upon himself, so we would not be condemned. That doesn't sound mean spirited to me it sounds like love.

Posted by: Rich | Aug 31, 2007 4:17:19 PM

Because "God's eyes" have been completely bastardized by right-wing Christians! To hear evangelicals tell it, the Bible is a lock-solid book of anti-gay condemnations. And the "ex-gay" concept uses junk science and untruth to force people into conforming to that myopic vision of the world.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Aug 31, 2007 4:22:35 PM

Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable."

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:26-27).

There are 6 or 7 verses that condemn homosexuality. It is not even debatable. But what people have to realize is that we are all equal, all having our faults and sins. No one is better than another. But God can deliver us from these things. Unless you believe what the bible says we will never agree and that is up to you. We are just to deliver the message. What you do with it is between you and God.

Posted by: Rich | Aug 31, 2007 8:58:43 PM

"There are 6 or 7 verses that condemn homosexuality. It is not even debatable."

Rich: This is exactly the problem with folks like yourself in regards to homosexuality. You act as if these clobber passages should not be looked at with a critical eye. The reality is that one DOES look at them with a rational mind, there is MUCH reason to think they have been taken out of context and/or given far too much weight by modern-day Christians.

http://www.whosoever.org/bible/leviticus.shtml

But yes, we care not to dialogue with you on this issue. Sadly, your mind seems made up.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Aug 31, 2007 10:07:30 PM

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