'Gas the jews' vs. 'Marry the gays': 'SaveCalifornia' get cold feet
This is how Randy Thomasson's "SaveCalifornia" site read yesterday (this screen cap pulled from the now expired Google cache):
And this is how it reads today (*update: this version of the text has now been pulled as well):
Oh, but Randy -- we know it was there. We know you said it. We know that you were likening the "tough" decision to marry gays to the mind-blowingly abominable order to murder humans. And everyone else is going to know it too. We'll see to that.
California citizens, please wake up to this! Our opposition has literally likened our love and the legal recognition thereof to some of the most cruel acts of all time. Even if they try and hide it, whether through scrubbing their sites or using duplicitous code-wording, their antipathy for us is often at a greater level than many folks understand. So please, we beg of you: Get on the right side of history and support those who are being persecuted, not those who are throwing the unbelievably cruel stones!
"Only the Legislature . . . can make laws with statewide application" They seem to forget that the California Legislature did "make" this law - TWICE. Oh how this opinion must rankle them!
Posted by: tom | May 23, 2008 2:15:44 PM
Edit is too late.
They EXPOSED THEMSELFS for how they honestly felt.
Civil equality for gays is the same as MURDER to them.
Evil STRAIGHT SUPREMISTS.
They are not homophobes -they are SUPREMISTS.
They 100% believe they we gay people are NOT GOOD AS THEM!
Posted by: RJP3 | May 23, 2008 2:55:16 PM
He also seems to miss the fact that the court did not impose a new law they upheld the constitution as it is and made it consistent with itself.
Posted by: Randy | May 23, 2008 3:17:19 PM
I LOVE LOVE LOVE when the right wing mentions how disgusted they are with laws that made African-Americans non-persons. Gives me my laugh of the day.
Because we all know that those people at the front of the picket lines and protest marches fighting for the civil rights of African-Americans were right-wing, evangelical, bible-thumping, fire-and-brimstone Christians!
In fact, our friend Tony Perkins and his sheeple at FRC ran an article last year celebrating - yes CELEBRATING - the Loving vs. Virginia ruling.
I guess having Alan Keyes and Star Parker on their side isn't enough, so they are trying to recruit more African-Americans who want judges whose interpretations are in line with the intent of our Founding Fathers - you know, how blacks weren't considered people.
Posted by: stojef | May 23, 2008 4:45:56 PM
Given their argument about this supreme court ruling did county clerks refuse to uphold the law when the California Supreme Court struck down the ban on inter-racial marriage in 1948 by refusing to issue marriage licenses to mixed race couples?
Even more important, did any of those same county clerks issue marriage licenses to mixed race couples *before* the ban was struck down in 1948? Clearly the law that created the ban was always immoral and unjust.
By their logic it would be fine for the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and pro-equality county clerks to refuse to issue marriage licenses to opposite sex couples as a protest until such time as everyone can marry.
I sure hope there are a lot of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and pro-equality county clerks out there thinking about this.
Posted by: The Gay Curmudgeon | May 23, 2008 4:48:40 PM
Someone probably pointed out to Thomasson that the Jews hold no monopoly on being gassed to death by the Nazis.
So he decided not to defend his apparent duplicity that gassing homosexuals to death is ok but not the gassing of Jews. He also chose not to amend his statement to say “gas the Jews and the Gays and other hated individuals," probably because that could be construed to say that he doesn’t support gassing gays to death (but that is just a guess on my part.)
He did chose instead to completely change the basis of his argument by dropping the Nazi correlation, probably because the similarity to his brand of morality is just too close for comfort (but again that is just a guess.)
Posted by: Dick Mills | May 23, 2008 5:22:31 PM
What the hell is wrong with people?
Posted by: Jeannie See | May 25, 2008 4:31:09 PM
uh... didn't nazi's gas GAY PEOPLE in addition to jews!?
Posted by: Tim | May 25, 2008 8:45:52 PM
"Oh, but Randy -- we know it was there. We know you said it. We know that you were likening the "tough" decision to marry gays to the mind-blowingly abominable order to murder humans. And everyone else is going to know it to. We'll see to that."
No, what this guy knew is that a poorly-worded post would expose him to cheap demagoguery from 'net clowns. So he corrected it.
Nice try, though. Self-congratulatory rabble-rousing is always so satisfying, though. Isn't it?
Posted by: Mister Snitch | May 26, 2008 1:15:45 AM
A poorly-worded post would be using a term improperly or making a grammatical error. Likening the issuing of gay marriages to the "gassing of the Jews" is WELL beyond the realm of, "oops, I made a typo!"
For a more apt example of poorly-worded sentiment, I would turn readers to your comment, in which you use the term "demagoguery" to refer to those of us who protest against faith-based discrimination, rather than those who play to antiquated biases in order to rally their socially conservative troops.
Nice try, though. Justifying the unjustifiable is always so satisfying. Isn't it?
Posted by: G-A-Y | May 26, 2008 8:25:09 AM
They're still comparing gay marriage to "crimes against humanity" like those prosecuted at Nuremberg.
And it's a little unclear whether they consider the protesters at Tienanmen Square or the army that crushed them to be the criminals...
Posted by: A Hermit | May 26, 2008 3:42:03 PM
A Hermit: Oh yea, offenses still abound even in the reworked version.
Posted by: G-A-Y | May 26, 2008 4:27:10 PM
Where'd they get the idea that slavery is immoral? Certainly not from the Bible, supposedly the source of all morality.
Posted by: DCN | May 26, 2008 7:12:34 PM
To Gay Curmudgeon:
"By their logic it would be fine for the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and pro-equality county clerks to refuse to issue marriage licenses to opposite sex couples as a protest until such time as everyone can marry."
My partner read something about how people might be excused from performing same-sex marriages because it goes against their religious beliefs - which we think is bullsh*t because you know no one would be allowed to refuse to perform inter-faith or inter-racial civil marriages or marriages between ethnic groups the clerk didn't like. If the California gov't allows this to happen, I believe all gay county clerks should refuse to perform opposite-sex marriages because it violates their belief systems.
I can't stand the "gay exception" to every friggin' rule out there. You start allowing people to not perform these services because it goes against their religious beliefs and you start setting some dangerous precedents. People will start disobeying STATE LAWS regarding discrimination based on sexual-orientation with their logic being, "Hell, if the government allows discrimination against GLBT people in publicly funded services, why can't I discriminate in my private business?
Same-sex marriage goes against your religious beliefs? Don't enter into one. Don't welcome people into your home. Don't allow your church, temple or mosque to perform religious ceremonies.
Posted by: | May 26, 2008 7:49:59 PM
Nazi Germany, slavery, Tienemen Square and marrying gays....
Sorta like: Snickers, 3 Musketeers, Watchamacalit and Diesel Fuel
...one of these does not belong with the others.
If a clerk does not want to marry a couple of queers because of his religeous beliefs; fax a few resumes and log into a few job sites. Changing your job is a small sacrifice for your religeous beliefs, considering that Jesus himself was nailed to a cross for his.
What the "offended" clerks need to understand that a legal gay marriage; like a straight marriage conducted in a court of law is not a marriage in the eyes of God. It is a legal transaction, providing associated benefits and obligations. It is people that apply meaning to it.
So if you clerks, really want to stick to your guns; let me know. I'd love to move to California and get a nice cush govt job. If watching 2 dudes or 2 ladies in flannel shirts kiss is the worst I have to put up with, then sign me up!
Posted by: Straight Christian Guy | Jul 8, 2008 4:16:18 PM
A much more valid comparison would be between gassing jews and aborting babies. The hypocritical left believes that while the Nazi's alleged gassing of Jews was evil, relentlessly murdering thousands of unborn children every day somehow constitutes a "human right". It beggers belief, murder is murder and dressing it up as a civil right does not alter that fact. So whose the real Nazis? Certainly not those of us on the right that strongly oppose the liberals holocaust of America's innocent and defenceless little unborn children.
Posted by: Chris | Aug 4, 2008 3:23:37 AM
They just keep coming, don't they? I keep thinking that it can't get any worse, that they can't screw themselves over any more, but then they make a mistake like this.
God, when are they going to figure out that sooner or later, their little supremist world is going to come crumbling down?
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