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07/18/2008

'Hell's even right there in his name -- it would've been so easy for them!

by Jeremy Hooper

So why hasn't Westboro Baptist, who has lashed out against everyone from the George Bush to the Pope to Tony Snow for being a "fag enabler," released any statements or planned any pickets in relations to Jesse Helms' death? Well here, let Shirley Phelps-Roper explain the family's criteria. Posted without comment:

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I am consistently amazed by the Phelps clan. At this point, although I can't predict their actions, nothing they do surprises me. I'm just amazed at the rational way they speak about their insanity.

It reminds me of my time spent in Sarasota, Florida, after the state ruled that unless you are a danger to yourself or others, you cannot be held against your will in a mental facility. As a result, there was a large homeless population (mainly people who weren't physically dangerous to those around them and so they couldn't be detained and get medication, but they still couldn't afford their meds, so they couldn't get any help at all). Every day was a new adventure. Who would I meet today? The evangelist Christian who needed $3.50 to add to the $5.00 he already had so he could get the part to fix his car (that didn't exist) and be on his way? The bipolar schizophrenic who needed money to get his wife (who didn't exist) a hot dog and some tea to counteract the Aspirin and beer she had consumed earlier in the day? Kimmy, the well-mannered crackwhore who refused to take cash or food (for charity, not for sex), only crack? The possibilities were endless.

And so it is with Phelps. What adventure will they have today? Protest the funeral of Tony Snow (why not)? Protest the Supreme Court (why not)? Perhaps today is the day they condemn Iran for not killing enough gay people (why not). Who knows? All I can say is, I really hope they protest Pat Robertson's funeral like they did Jerry Falwell. I think I might actually make a trip out to Virginia Beach for that one.

Posted by: Michael | Jul 18, 2008 3:45:08 PM

If God is 'pouring out' wrath on America, why do the Phelpses stay? Why don't they move to Jamaica, where it seems they would fit in so much better? And I think the winters are nicer in Kingston than they are in Topeka.

Posted by: larry | Jul 18, 2008 5:07:14 PM

I've wondered about that myself. My guess is, if they went anywhere else, they'd be ignored. They can't have that, because they're whores for attention.
If, according to them, "fag-enablers" go to hell, shouldn't they be worried? Everything they do is geared to drive LGBT people AWAY from any message they were imparting. By encouraging LGBT people to dismiss them as a bunch of lunatics, they are, in effect, encouraging us to do the exact opposite of whatever they say.
In fact, people like the Phelps cult are the reason I'm convinced God DOESN'T have a problem with lgbt folk. After all, if he did, wouldn't he send more credible messengers? Without exception homophobes are either raving nutcases, idiots, complete a**holes, or come combination thereof.

Posted by: Bill S | Jul 18, 2008 6:01:12 PM

Bill, thank you! I've been thinking that for quite some time, even wrote it out a few times!

If God is absolutely against homosexuality, why is it all his messengers are crazy, idiots, liars, and snake oil salesmen?

Labarbara, Dobson, DB, Gallagher, LaRue,Donnelly, Cameron, all of these people who rely on misinformation, stereotype, skewed data, misrepresenting legit research, cherry-picking the Bible, hyperbole, and outright lies.

I would think God's messengers would be able to deliver the message in an obvious, independently verifiable, logical, and honest manner.

Perhaps the messengers just don't understand the message?

Posted by: Jason D | Jul 18, 2008 8:54:16 PM

"some" combination thereof. damn typos.

Posted by: Bill S | Jul 18, 2008 9:14:15 PM

i can't help but love shirley phelps roper. and honestly, i'm usually on her side -- the first amendment PROTECTS your right to be an idiot, asshole, hated by all. (you have a constitutional right to be a douchebag. and WBC exercises it.)

JerHo: send me an IM when you have a moment -- i want to email you my con law final exam in which i discussed WBC at length. (the premise of the exam was a facial challenge to a funeral picketing statute by the WBC)
-b

Posted by: | Jul 19, 2008 2:20:32 AM

Phelps-Roper comes off as completely sane in that email. It surprises the hell out of me.

Posted by: Tony P | Jul 19, 2008 2:33:09 AM

Tony: Shirley and I always have very frank and rational e-chats. She doesn't typically fly off the handle or make unfair accusations, unlike others with whom I converse.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Jul 19, 2008 8:16:28 AM

Not only that, but they also don't even try to win over LGBT folk. They alienate them to a degree that makes them impossible to trust.

Posted by: Bill S | Jul 19, 2008 10:25:38 AM

I have been trying to figure out these kinds of people for a long time. I am no closer to an understanding. That said, we tend to fear that which we don't understand. I'm not trying to justify their actions or opinions. They should be ignored. However I think their methods sabotage their own message. They appear ignorant in not only the words they use but also the image they put forth. Because they appear to be "nutjobs" most don't take them seriously. I doubt they have converted any non-believers. They speak to people who already believe their message. And the rest of the world considers, hopefully, that "Wow, these guys are nuts therefore their beliefs must be false" Or something like that. Luckily for them God forgives and loves everyone.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 19, 2008 11:52:58 AM

Jason, I totally agree with you. The so-called "wbc" is just a bunch of flakes who are either related to head nutball freddie, various hangers-on, or people who wander through. A friend of mine was one of freddie's first targets, but he nows lives out here in CA and is very happy. I have true pity for freddie's grandkids, as he's managed to brainwash every one of them.

My mother had dobshit's gulag send me one of his books when I came out to her. Said book got sent back, unopened, refused, return to sender, and dobshit's gulag got told in no uncertain terms to NEVER send me anything again.

Posted by: Alex | Jul 19, 2008 8:43:04 PM

I think that the Phreaky Phelps clan is secretly on our side in this debate. I mean, they have to know how batshit crazy they come off as being. And they have to be equally aware of the fact that it destroys any shred of credibility that they have. And IF they are so deluded that they can't discern that for themselves, then I am positive that others on their side have minced no words in their attempts to inform them.

So, the only rational conclusion is that they're just play-acting. They're using a stage-inspired, grandiose vernacular and intonation that I like to call "phred-speak." And they very clearly demonstrate the lunacy of everyone on that side. The hamming it up and over-exaggeration makes them all look like something from a Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

And, if I'm wrong, then I have to add that I think we benefit greatly from their animatronic machination, regardless of their motives.

Posted by: Dick Mills | Jul 19, 2008 9:52:05 PM

WBC doesn't like public officials because they are popular?

Then why did Fred Phelps seek public office on four seperate occasions?

Posted by: | Jul 20, 2008 11:30:17 AM

Isn't Fred Phelps dead yet? Why Not? Pat Robertson as well should be dead. They need to join the rest of the bible thumping haters like Jerry Falwell, Jesse Helms and a host of others.

I am so ready for a party! Dear God, if you really are a true and living God, PLEASE, take Fred Phelps and take him away quickly... oh perhaps a lot of pain and suffering for the the crap he's inflicted on others might be a nice touch. -Amen

Posted by: Eddie Keator | Jul 20, 2008 5:56:56 PM

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