Good As You

Argh! I am having such a issue with this. Having grown up in a strongly Mormon family I know that my family is very involved with the Mormon side of the Prop 8 campaign. After making a strong statement in response to one of my brother's comments about "activist judges" my father later told me he was sorry if I was offended and that he didn't really understand the whole "gay" thing and guessed he didn't really need too. He actually said he didn't understand my choice. All he knew was that the Church had sent out a letter and that was what he supported. It is infuriating. How do you have a discussion on an issue with your family when their only position is to follow the church. My family is not overly political most of the time, this is a church thing. Having been raised in the church and making most of my important life decision based on what would be deemed acceptable, I know how hard it is to deviate from the "norm". Now my sister is getting married in January and has asked me to sing at her reception since I won't be able to attend the temple wedding. My sister has been the most supportive, but I know she has told me she would be happoer for me if I were not gay. I will talk with her, but feel if she feels it is important to vote against my right to get married, I will attend her wedding, but not participate. Sigh...

Wow, they are going to make it that easy for us to identify the neighbors to whom we need to make our direct appeal? Looks like "early on a late September morning" is the time to be prepared with your hand-out and your smile. I believe that many of the people who would plant those signs are, as Todd says, "not overly political most of the time" and are doing it because it just a "church thing." Those nice boys or girls from next door should be standing right there when they march down their front walks. Keep us posted, please.

I have mixed emotions about this. On the one hand, having a bunch of "hate stickers" popping up in front lawns is annoying. But, it certainly is their prerogative do as they wish.

On the other hand, I think it could blowup in their faces. When the neighbors see this new lawn-art it's going to put a face on 'prop-8', and it isn't going to necessarily be a pretty one. The intolerance of many of these people isn't exclusively directed toward us. A lot of them have a long history provocative engagement in their various communities.

In a lot of those cases, there may be no effect, but it could end up being quite negative. A large percentage of the "hate stickers" are going to be on displayed in residential neighborhoods where only nearby neighbors will ever see them. Neighbors who know these people, for better or worse . . . the good, the bad and the ugly of them.

Yes, it could be very illuminating to say the least. We have people here to rip up others campaign lawn stuff on a regular basis... I however LOVE Tim's response. That is exactly what supporters should do. ... If brave enough. I must admit I am not ...yet. But then I don't feel I am good at debate, so I would go and stand with a debater as a supporter..

Todd, what can we say... I went through all that just because I was marrying a Catholic, as did my sister before me and my cousin. Yep the only 3 Swedish girls in our family married Catholics...and so, of course, the relatives could not attend! This was in the 60's 70's...actually by mine everyone gave in and did attend, even the Church service. You know I just realized, I think that may be why my sister will not visit the relatives here..because they discriminated against her so. Quite understandable.
No, you cannot fight 'the Church' or 'GOD' saying anything, just feel sorry for people over 21 who are not yet adults.

Just a heads up: Mike Huckabee recently gave an interview in which he holds Mitt Romney responsible for implementing gay marriage in Massachusetts.

Video here:

http://chinoblanco.blogspot.com/2008/08/huckabee-romney-responsible-for.html

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I wish that more rank and file members of the LDS (Mormon) church would realize: the anti-gay coalition they've joined in California is one that includes folks who - given the chance - would vote their church out of existence.

Folks like Mike Huckabee and his Evangelical buddies.

To all my Catholic, Mormon and Evangelical Christian friends,

In the spirit of negotiation and out of the kindness of my heart, I am prepared to make an offer to all of you who so fervently and passionately, in the name of religion, are supporting proposition 8.

This is MY proposition to you:

I would like you to allow me to have a civil union, (presently called marriage license, but you can change the name if you wish), with my partner of nine years.
I would like you to allow me to be by her bedside, in the event that she is ever in intensive care.
I would like you to allow me to decide, where we shall be buried.
I would like you to allow me to have a safe home, free from pillaging, in the event that one of us should die before the other.
I would like you to allow us to take for granted, as many of you do, all the rights that are granted to “ALL PEOPLE” in the constitution of my wonderful state of California and hopefully someday of this great nation.

Now at this point of my offer, you are all probably wondering what’s in it for you, so here goes my end of the deal.

To the Catholics: I promise I will never make fun of your over priced churches. I will not assume that all priests are pedophiles. I also promise that I will continue to buy those candies that your kids sell me, for some fund raising event or another. I will go to all your festivals, eat and drink excessively, and give you plenty of my hard-earned homo money.

To the Mormons: I promise that I will never make fun of you holy underwear “garments”. I also promise that I will never bring up those little racist secrets from your past, or the fact that DNA has disproved your book’s theories. I promise I’ll try really hard not to think that all of you have fifty wives. I also assure you that when you send your missionaries to my door, on their cute little bikes, I will continue to offer them something to drink, and I will never slam the door in their face.

To the Evangelical Christians: I promise I will never speak an unkind word again, about Tammy Faye Baker’s makeup, or her hubbies little visit to our prison system. I also promise not to laugh at the TV shows where you slap someone on the head; they fall, and are miraculously cured of what ails them. I also give you my word that if any of your leaders have encounters with prostitutes. Get busted. And cry a river of tears on TV while they ask for forgiveness. I will forgive them.

And to all of you, I would like to give you my word of honor that I will never step foot in your religious houses of worship, even though you are constantly inviting me to come in and join your gangs.

I am also willing to wear some form of identification, so you can cross the street if you see me on the sidewalk, or your children want talk to me, or I spend my money in your businesses. I don’t know just yet what I should wear? Perhaps a little black triangle will do.

As you can see, I am giving you much more in my offer than I am asking for in return.

So what do you say? Deal or no Deal?

With much love,

Lourdes Rivas
Los Angeles, California

On a serious note, people should take a list of all the addresses of people who have put up these signs, and refuse them service if they require any services associated with weddings, such as catering, suits, dresses, holidays, etc. as far as law will allow and see what they do when the creative gay people decide to no longer support their unions, good luck finding a decent caterer who is neither gay or has no gay employees in Cali.

Lots of love,
Corvidae
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Don't ask to be heard, demand it.

Even if prop 8 is passed the activist courts will over turn it, so as I
See the problem should the state give out marriage licenses.
Sure why not the state can hand out any license they want to whom ever
For what ever reason they want.
Now should anyone want or demand to get married in a church than no
That would be up to the religious organization not up to the state or courts.
The real issue should be the separation of church and state.
People should not have to go to the state in order to get married by the
Church or have some sort of legal sanction by the state.
If you really want to file a law suite file for separation of church and state.

In anything other than a democracy, the LDS church would be considered a cult. It would also be considered criminal. Until the very recent past, racism flourished. Marriage with multiple under-aged girls prevailed. This church along with others has forced thousands of wonderful, kind, God loving people to fight and fund a battle against bigots. 60 MILLION DOLLARS down the drain. How about asking ourselves this question. What would God do with 60 million dollars?
I have a funny feeling it would have something to do with the poor, homeless and sick. NOT A CAMPAIGN OF HATE.
We, as a whole should be ashamed of ourselves.