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08/04/2008

Video: No hydrant can extinguish Fred's fire

by Jeremy Hooper

To that one commenter who insists of screaming at us every single time we cover the antics of Westboro Baptist: Please don't read any further. Since you apparently have an inability to skip over WBC entires and instead feel compelled to both read and comment on these posts, we are taking this opportunity to give you fair warning. If you read any further, you will be exposed to a story about the Phelps family.

Now, to everyone else: Here's a Phelps post.

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In reaction to a weekend fire that was set at Westboro Baptist Church, pastor Fred has made the lil' video:

Alright, so seriously analyzing Fred's nutty videos is sort of like trying to find deep meaning in a particularly fluffy episode of "The Janice Dickinson Modeling Agency." But even so, we can't help but note the irony of Fred condemning judges and hypocrisy, all the while casting his own "infallible" judgement that this fire was (a) arson, and (b) the work of "fags or fag enablers." For all he really knows, a rebellious Phelps teen was out smoking behind the shed, and his flaming butt set one of the family's many "God Hates [insert just about anything" signs ablaze. Or the fire could've been the arsonic by-product of a neighbor who's pissed that the family's never invited them over for a nice game of Scattegories. The point is: Nobody really knows. And so if Fred's going to frame his entire video around the narrative of "judges gone wild," it would seem more productive for him temper his own predilection towards casting unsubstantiated verdicts.

Just a thought. But then again, giving Westboro advice is about as productive as, uhm, well -- picketing funerals and casting millions if unknown strangers to Hell.

**RELATED NOTE: True to silly form, WBC actually picketed the firefighters as they were putting out the flames:

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No stone left uncast!

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You know, a part of me wants to show some form of support for the Phelps clan, they are at least the one honest voice in the Christian right. They make no apologies, no politically correct rewordings; they just say what they believe and are done with it. If the country could see that all the others (AFA, CWA, FOF, and so on) are basically saying the same thing but through a veneer of faux Christianity the "culture war" would have ended a while ago...

P.s. don’t misunderstand me, they are bigoted and ignorant, just honestly so, it is refreshing after reading some of the craptastic stuff that comes out of the “hate the sin but not the sinner” crowd.

Posted by: Randy | Aug 4, 2008 10:43:25 AM

Randy: We wouldn't misunderstand you. Many of us in the community feel similarly. Their frankness, fearlessness in terms of conveying their stances, and refusal to waver in their convictions is actually pretty admirable.

If reared under a different patriarch, they could've been powerful gay rights voices.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Aug 4, 2008 10:51:47 AM

I agree totally about the honesty of the Phelps clan. If a few other organizations were to be as honest about what they have really become, perhaps:

AFA would be the Anti Fag Association, and
FOTF would be Focus on the Fags.

Posted by: Richard Rush | Aug 4, 2008 11:20:33 AM

fine!

Posted by: hapbt | Aug 4, 2008 11:26:32 AM

I do enjoy coming to read what you have to say, keep it up.

Posted by: Blondie Writes | Aug 4, 2008 11:42:54 AM

I bet they're scouring hundreds of newspaper daily looking for horrible fires around the country, so they can claim vengence. They need an outlet for all that anger ASAP.

Posted by: | Aug 4, 2008 12:44:50 PM

I rather feel sorry for the firefighters. Here they are trying to put out a fire (regardless of cause) to protect property and they get PICKETED. Of course, if they decided to put get in the truck and leave (due to picketing) Phelps, et al. would of claim that they are part of Satan's Army. The firefighters trying to do thier jobs can't win against this group. :(

Incidently, I do have to agree with the above statement. While they have thier own sense of "justice", at least they are upfront (you are going to hell, etc). Even if they do have thier favourite Bible verses to quote (not necessarily in context).

aj

just my 2 cents

Posted by: aj | Aug 4, 2008 1:25:09 PM

"True to silly form, WBC actually picketed the firefighters as they were putting out the flames"

^^is that for real or is that just a joke?

Posted by: Christopher | Aug 4, 2008 1:37:17 PM

Funny that when anyone else's home is destroyed, "christian" kooks blame "god's wrath". But when it happens to them, it's anyone BUT god who was behind it.

If a human actually caused the fire, shame on them! They could have at least waited until the Phelps klan was inside, boarded up the doors and windows, THEN set it on fire! If you're going to do it, do it right.

Posted by: Scott | Aug 4, 2008 1:38:15 PM

Christopher: Real. That's an actual pic of them picketing. here's the full video:

http://video.ap.org/v/Default.aspx?g=f37b6aa1-9419-4e0f-a3f2-c538ab8cae50&mk=en-ap&f=kstop

Posted by: G-A-Y | Aug 4, 2008 1:45:58 PM

2o to 30,000$ in damage? For an institution that isn't worth a bucket of pee, i find that hard to believe. but i think one could raise that much money to pay someone to finish the job.

Posted by: Ryan | Aug 4, 2008 1:48:03 PM

Given their history, I don't think the Phelps are necessarily too far off the track to suggest that they were victims of arson. Many people are quick to suggest they, too, had it coming and/or poke fun at their loss. I think this is the wrong attitude and the wrong approach to the Phelps.
If you were a child (or even an adult) in the WBC and you were told incessantly that the outside world was evil and going to hell and were also told that God's people (the WBC) would face persecution for upholding their "Godly" beliefs, what else would this incident do but add traumatic affirmation to your beliefs and viewpoints? In this case, I think we need to stand up for the Phelps and assist investigators in any way we can to track down the perpetrators of this crime. We need to speak out against such violence because violence against any of us is violence against all of us.
Do I agree with, support, or condone the "ministry" of the WBC? No! However, do I think it is appropriate to subject them to violence and intimidation because of their work and beliefs? Absolutely not!

Posted by: Timm | Aug 4, 2008 1:55:14 PM

Timm: I would hope that nobody on here thinks it's appropriate to subject WBC to violence. That certainly is not what we are supporting in the post!!

And all I was saying in pointing out Fred's certainty that this was a targeted act of arson is that it's funny, considering that he is decrying what he considers to be unfair judgments. In America, "guilty until proven innocent" is the very definition of unfair judgment!

Posted by: G-A-Y | Aug 4, 2008 2:03:28 PM

Have people become no better than the idiots who torch womens clinics?

The Phelps clan certainly doesn't reap any sympathy from me . . .but arson?

If it turns out that the fire was set intentionally (and yes I reserve my doubts), I hope that person is found and brought to justice.

The Phelps/WBC hate and foolishness is obvious, but violence like this is reprehensible.

Posted by: gary | Aug 4, 2008 2:41:55 PM

If it was arson, you can bet it was more than likely some pissed-off family member, of one of the soldiers whose funeral was picketed by the Phelps klan.

He doesn't give gay people much of a reason to dislike him anymore - he calls EVERYTHING a "fag", at this point. It's confusing when he uses the word nowadays, because you don't know who or what the hell he's referring to! LOL

This isn't a first anyway - wasn't there some incident with a pipe bomb in their church, years ago?

Posted by: Scott | Aug 4, 2008 3:37:34 PM

Just a thought (conspiracy really) might they have started the fire themselves to get the money to pay off their judgement or to devalue the property for judgement purposes?

Posted by: Daimeon | Aug 4, 2008 4:01:01 PM

Well, there is also the option that is was set intentially by the Phelps family. Maybe they have a good insurance policy and were looking for new ways to raise money after the lawsuits they lost. Or maybe they want to go to someplace nice as a family for a picketing vacation. There is no reason they can't speak for God and work on their tans right?

Posted by: Loki | Aug 4, 2008 4:14:06 PM

We'll have to wait and see. . .Trust me, I'd love to see this cult convicted of insurance fraud.

Hate is what it is. . .

Hate me all you want . . . picket my neighborhood. . . I'll be right there to voice my opinion.

Set fire to my home?

A coward seeking revenge would do that. . .pitch forks and torches. . .

Posted by: gary | Aug 4, 2008 5:37:08 PM

I held it until the end, but when the voiceover told me to go to god hates fags dot com, god hates the world dot com or priests rape boys dot com I just couldn't stop laughing.

Posted by: | Aug 5, 2008 12:57:25 AM

Hmm, I wonder. In the first few moments, he states that we do NOT have freedom of religion or speech. If that were true, wouldn't he have been STOPPED a long time ago? ESPECIALLY from the "black robed devils" .. as in judges that renege on their oath of justice (according to him)?

just my 2 cents
aj

Posted by: aj | Aug 5, 2008 11:14:02 PM

Just a quick thought-

If this fire had been set anywhere else in the country, wouldn't they have made the case that it was a sign from god about fags/fag enablers?

Read the signs, freddie.


Posted by: Sean | Aug 6, 2008 12:24:10 PM

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