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11/05/2008

Just once we wish a group would say, 'We simply don't accept gay people!'

by Jeremy Hooper

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may have funneled multi-millions into the passage of the cruel, mean-spirited, divisive, unscrupulous, unsavory, non-family, theocratically minded, discriminatory, unethical, unsound, irreligious, unconstitutional, un-American, irresponsible, marginalizing, hate-encouraging, scorn-deserving Prop 8,  but don't you dare think they did so out of any animus towards gay people. No, no -- they, like most everyone who dedicates considerable time and funding to foist their personal faith-based views onto civil society, only did so to keep their lives from being stymied at the ring-adorned hands of those pesky, pesky gay folks.

Here, let them explain it.  This is from an official Mormon statement:

It is important to understand that this issue for the Church has always been about the sacred and divine institution of marriage — a union between a man and a woman.   
   

Allegations of bigotry or persecution made against the Church were and are simply wrong.  The Church’s opposition to same-sex marriage neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility toward gays and lesbians.  Even more, the Church does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and        employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches. 

Some, however, have mistakenly asserted that churches should not ever be involved in politics when moral issues are involved.  In fact, churches and religious organizations are well within their constitutional rights to speak out and be engaged in the many moral and ethical problems facing society.  While the Church does not endorse candidates or platforms, it does reserve the right to speak out on important issues.   

So take comfort, gay couples.  They are totally fine with the "moral and ethical problem" that is your loving relationship, just as long as said relationship doesn't affect their personal, faith-based views.  Your CIVIL equality we're talking about.  California dating and mating is apparently now the LDS church's jurisdiction, with all of us, regardless of our personal views about our eternal futures, having to obtain spousal approval not only from our friends and loved ones, but also from our local Mormon bishop.

Hey, California: YOU READY TO RAGE YET?!?!

Mormon statement on Prop 8 [LDS Newsroom]

**Some folks are quite ready to rage:

Time to boycott Utah, and Marriott? [Americablog]
Make Prop 8 a Phyrric Victory—Bankrupt the Mormons [SLOG]

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Your thoughts

May all these lying cultists be tarred, feathered, and sterilized.

Posted by: Rainbow Phoenix | Nov 5, 2008 4:06:45 PM

There is a group that says, "We simply don't accept gay people!" It's called the Westboro church. They may be mad as March hares, but they're honest about their hatred.

Posted by: Mike in the Tundra | Nov 5, 2008 4:08:44 PM

Because we all know that Mormons have a long-standing tradition of believing that marriage is between one man and ONE woman.

Nothing against mormons, but good god.

Posted by: Nami | Nov 5, 2008 4:20:37 PM

Churches should not be tax exempt. PERIOD.

Posted by: 123 | Nov 5, 2008 4:22:25 PM

As I stated previously - these Nut Cases better never show their face at my door. "A man and a woman" - - they had to find their own state to run their own crackpot church with multiple partners(still a crackpot church as far as I'm concerned - it's now fine for them to persecute others - how soon they forget!!!!!) due to multiple partners - they are mixing church and state no matter what they say - I hope we can tax them - with all that spare cash they put into CA we'd have a good start on mending the financial meltdown. Don't talk to me about your bullsh*t ideas, mormons! I've got your number!

Posted by: tom | Nov 5, 2008 4:25:27 PM

I especially love this bit:

"No one on any side of the question should be vilified, intimidated, harassed or subject to erroneous information."

Yes, this statement from the side that tried to frame the elimination of the right of same-sex couples to legally marry as an issue of free speech, religious liberty, education and and parents rights.

You despicable, hypocritical, two-faced duplicitous cretins.

Posted by: zortnac | Nov 5, 2008 4:32:09 PM

Actually, here in Sacramento we do have a group that says, "we don't accept gay people," and worse. In fact, the slavic immigrant community's Bethany Slavic Missionary Church has protested at lgbt events since 2006, and its members Alexsandr Schevchenko and Andrey Vusik murdered Satendar Singh here in 2007 because they "thought" he was gay.

These slavic immigrants, 100,000 strong in the Sacramento Valley, call homosexuality "an abomination" and many members on youtube have messages like "death penalty to all homosexuals," and "Death to Sodomites."

It is no great victory to have these groups open about their bigotry. It shows a willingness to oppose civility and an aggressiveness that puts fear into gays and lesbians here, as it is intended to do. It is the same fear that terrorism generates. It causes many to remain closeted. It is no victory. Be glad that, at least, these groups have enough shame and guilt that they feel the need to disguise their bigotry and hatred behind issues they call "tradition." Trust me, you don't want to know any of the Slavs and Russians Sacramentans are forced to deal with.

All I can say is we must now fight to remove tax-exempt status from the Mormons and the Evangelical churches. Impoverish their bigotry. Starve the beasts.

Posted by: dan | Nov 5, 2008 4:54:22 PM

Yes, I am outraged.

Posted by: Todd X | Nov 5, 2008 4:54:30 PM

Isn't it the Churches right to refuse marrying gays?

So why do they have to take away the rights of the Churches that don't mind doing it?

I don't get it. We should be able to love who we love, with out any biased comments.

It's simply not fair.

Posted by: Trickster's Treat | Nov 5, 2008 5:04:46 PM

"...so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches."


Which could mean if any religious group objects to medical benefits for gay couples because it legitimizes their union of sin, renting to gay people, or highering gay people for jobs because it offends their religious beliefs they have a right to fight against us based solely on those grounds.

Religion really make me sick.

Posted by: Ken R | Nov 5, 2008 5:19:00 PM

Don't forget to boycott the company called Melaleuca. The owners, Frank and Belinda Vandersloot of Idaho Falls, ID, just gave at least $100,000 to take away our rights. Plus they used the companys phne banks to make pro prop 8 calls to Californians. Simply Disgusting.

Posted by: HaterH8r | Nov 5, 2008 5:23:16 PM

lol I think I'm dead inside. How can such astonishing election night news such as that of our new president-elect turn out to be so bittersweet. I know I'm wrong about the notion of progress, but I can't help but feel like the world's just never going to be OK with LGBT folk. It's like one step forward, eight steps back. And strangely enough, the same surge of black voters that helped elect this eloquent and magnificent man, is also the same surge that helped solidify another minority group's second-class citizenship.

Few groups are quite as socially conservative as black Americans. Of course, there were a lot of other factors: misleading campaigning, moral panic, Mormon meddling, the tendency for this country to be decades behind the times.

Posted by: chris | Nov 5, 2008 6:56:48 PM

Rather than waste 20 million dollars to support a ban on Gay marriage why doesn’t the Mormon church do something useful like spend it to feed the poor or provide shelter for the homeless. There are so many good uses for that money.

What kind of Christian message does it send when you spend that kind of money on political campaigns while the poor go hungry and the sick can't afford to see a doctor.

Handing 20 million dollars over to television stations for anti gay ads is a big waste of money in a world of suffering.

Posted by: Norris Hall | Nov 5, 2008 7:02:34 PM

I don't think all their sweet talking is necessarily such a bad thing. Annoying and hypocritical, yes. But think about it.

In their desperate need to not look hateful and bigoted, they're paying lip service to every other gay rights issue out there: registered partnerships, insurance, hospital visitation, employment rights... even parenting.

Is it really their victory if they had to concede everything else just to hang on to that one word?

That's not to say you shouldn't be angry and saddened, I am both. This loss really surprised and disappointed me. But it's just one battle. We're still winning the war, and we will.

Posted by: Willie Hewes | Nov 6, 2008 5:06:45 AM

Jack Williams (owner of Smog-n-Go shops in the Sacramento area, and Chairman of the Elk Grove California Chamber of Commerce) and his wife donated $10,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign, then he whipped up his Mormon congregation to donate another $300,000.

It seems there are other places to have a car smogged, and other places to do business rather than Elk Grove.

Posted by: Mike | Nov 11, 2008 3:34:27 PM

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