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12/19/2008

He excludes us from his club -- yet we're asked to accept him into ours?!

by Jeremy Hooper

This from the website of Rick Warren's home church:

"Because membership in a church is an outgrowth of accepting the Lordship and leadership of Jesus in one’s life, someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted at a member at Saddleback Church. That does not mean they cannot attend church – we hope they do! God’s Word has the power to change our lives."

But of course if you want to be a member of Barack Obama's slate of inaugural dignitaries, there's absolutely no need to "repent" of your thoughts that homosexual couples are akin to incestuous/paedophilic/polygamous ones, or that gays and lesbians should not exist in any active form.

Ya know, we keep thinking the outrage is going to subside. But just like the snow outside our window, our pissed off-iness keeps piling up.

#48 - What does the Bible say about homosexuality? [Saddleback Church]

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Ah, the entertainment.

Gay liberals wonder why they're compared to pedophiles.

"Some of the most unlikely attendees of Sunday's kinky leather fetish festival were under four feet tall.

Two-year-olds Zola and Veronica Kruschel waddled through Folsom Street Fair amidst strangers in fishnets and leather crotch pouches, semi and fully nude men.

The twin girls who were also dressed for the event wore identical lace blouses, floral bonnets and black leather collars purchased from a pet store.

Fathers Gary Beuschel and John Kruse watched over them closely. They were proud to show the twins off.......

Father of two, John Kruse said it is an educational experience for children. He said there were conservative parents against having kids at the event.

'Those are the same close-minded people who think we shouldn't have children to begin with,' he said."

http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/news/004352.html


"Raising the age of consent is a veiled attempt to assert conservative moral values on youth, queer and youth-led groups told Senators today.

The Senate's legal affairs committee is studying a Harper government bill that would raise the age of consent from 14 to 16. It will almost certainly pass — no political party has opposed it — but queer and youth-led groups came out Feb 22 to insist on their sexual freedom.

The proposed changes will have a disproportionate impact on gays, said Richard Hudler of the Coalition for Lesbian and Gay Rights in Ontario.

'My first lover was 17 years older than me. And this is common [among gay people],' he said."

http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=1&STORY_ID=4379&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=9


Or incest and polygamy:

"Households in which there is more than one conjugal partner"

http://beyondmarriage.org

"The ACLU believes that criminal and civil laws prohibiting or penalizing the practice of plural marriage violate constitutional protections of freedom of expression and association, freedom of religion, and privacy for personal relationships among consenting adults."

http://www.acluutah.org/pluralmarriage.htm

"Eric Erbelding and his husband, Michael Peck, both 44, see each other only every other weekend because Mr. Peck works in Pittsburgh. So, Mr. Erbelding said, “Our rule is you can play around because, you know, you have to be practical.”

Mr. Erbelding, a decorative painter in Boston, said: “I think men view sex very differently than women. Men are pigs, they know that each other are pigs, so they can operate accordingly. It doesn’t mean anything.”"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/us/15marriage.html?_r=3&pagewanted=2


Posted by: North Dallas Thirty | Dec 19, 2008 4:08:54 PM

I'd planned to comment about why some of us need to STOP being so pissed [after all, what are we whiney children who cry when we don't get our way -- "He's talking to a homophobe!! Waaaah!!!") ....

... but then I read North Dallas Thirty's comment. I must say, you allowing his hateful drivel on this blog is a bit like Barack letting Warren pray. Think about it. I wouldn't have removed it either, but I'm also not upset about Warren. Do you actually think Obama is going to always give us what we want and screw the rest of America? Which Barack did you vote for? The one I voted for promised to be everyone's president, who promised to talk or our enemies at home and abroad. That was his appeal.

While I truly understand how you feel -- for Warren makes my skin crawl as well -- the world, and certainly not America, doesn't revolve around the needs of the LGBT community.

With all due respect, pull it together.

Posted by: Taylor Siluwé | Dec 19, 2008 4:40:30 PM

With all due respect, NO!

And allowing any and everyone to express their views on an open web forum is not even on the same planet as a progressive president honoring a virulently anti-gay pastor by inviting him to be an honored guest at his inaugural!

Posted by: G-A-Y | Dec 19, 2008 4:43:50 PM

And why not? As much as we despise him, Obama will be Warren's president too. This inaugural ball is for all America! Get it. Even the homophobes.

Where is this attitude coming from that says Obama must do what we say? Who the hell are we? Yes, we campaigned and voted for him en masse. But he said from the start what he would do. Include everyone.

Apparently, in our hysteria at the thought of a president Palin, some of us weren't listening.

Posted by: Taylor Siluwé | Dec 19, 2008 6:18:06 PM

"This inaugural ball is for all America!"

(A) This isn't a ball, but rather the swearing in itself.

(B) Then I will send a call to someone who has deeply disparaged Jews, people of color, women, and any other group I can think of, since this will be an event for ALL Americans.

(C) This is a progressive president who was brought into office with a promise of change. Giving a mega forum to anti-gay rhetoric of the past is not what many of us hoped for.

(D) If we do not rage against this, then WHO WILL? Are we to allow his comments to go unchecked? Tonight, when Ann Curry airs her interview to a national audience, are we to let Rick Warren's comments about gays not needing to act on their truths to go on without comment?

(E) Please don't tell me to "get it." I do get it, and am quite unhappy about it.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Dec 19, 2008 6:30:38 PM

"I must say, you allowing his hateful drivel on this blog is a bit like Barack letting Warren pray."

The interesting thing is that, in that post, I say all of fifteen words; the rest are direct quotes of other gay people.

But of course, instead of getting mad at the gay people who are dressing up their toddlers as sexual slaves and taking them to sex fairs for an "educational experience", or those who are saying that it's "common" for gay people to have sex with children seventeen years their junior, or those demanding marriage for siblings, parent-child relationships, and polyamorous households, or those saying that gay men are "pigs" for whom monogamy is not "practical".......you get upset at me for calling these out.

In short, what these people are doing doesn't bother you in the least -- only having the facts publicized does.


Posted by: North Dallas Thirty | Dec 19, 2008 6:59:47 PM

Lets see how about the 11 year olds who were forced to be wives of the guy with 48? How about ALL the stories about child torture/sex trade...THOSE aren't homeosexuals Y'all. They are good REAL American HET's doing it, buying it...LOVING it.

Don't like the Folsom Fair...don't go, or read about it, or look at pics...simple.

But having an Anti-Christian minister ask for only heterosexual peace and praise to fall on Obama and the entire country is EXCLUSIONARY....not Inclusive. Well at least it isn't old Brown Shirt Papa Ratzi.

So, of course, we will just have to wait and see the bus tracks of his actually adminstration makes... over us or with us.

Posted by: LOrion | Dec 19, 2008 7:18:07 PM

Cool...like that they show now...can we have an edit too? I make lots of typos when I get aggravated.

Posted by: LOrion | Dec 19, 2008 8:09:32 PM

Here you are ND30... HET...story of the DAY...

Teacher Accused Of Sexual Relations With Student At Home, On Dirt Roads. They don't call this statutory rape in GA? You know the drill, you know it before you read it -- why does God hate heterosexuals? They keep getting caught and embarrassing their entire orientation. But what really matters, according to Rick Warren is that the parts have to fit in the old Biblical fashion.
The Troup County Sheriff's Office said a former cheerleading coach has been arrested on charges of having an inappropriate relationship with a young teenage boy.
Investigators charged Elizabeth Gaddy, 45, a current teacher at Callaway Middle School in Hogansville, with child molestation and enticing a child for indecent purposes.

Gaddy is accused of having a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old male student. Police said Gaddy had been having sexual contact with him for several months.

Sgt. Kelli Ellington said some of the alleged behavior occurred at Gaddy's home in Hogansville and also on dirt roads in Troup County. Ellington said none of the alleged behavior occurred on school grounds.

This abuser was already on administrative leave as she was under investigation for other charges of inappropriate contact with students.

Posted by: LOrion | Dec 19, 2008 8:09:33 PM

"Lets see how about the 11 year olds who were forced to be wives of the guy with 48?"

If you're talking about Warren Jeffs, he's in prison -- just like what seems to keep happening to those "child torture/sex trade" folks.

But of course, when gay people do and lobby for the same thing, the gay community's response is to say, "Don't like it? Don't don't go, or read about it, or look at pics...simple." That attitude is why social workers don't investigate gay people who take sexual liberties with children; the gay community has done a fine job of convincing them that such behavior is normal and that they're homophobic for being suspicious.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-480151/Gay-couple-left-free-abuse-boys--social-workers-feared-branded-homophobic.html

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty | Dec 19, 2008 9:21:53 PM

"Here you are ND30... HET...story of the DAY..."

Notice this, L'Orion.

"The Troup County Sheriff's Office said a former cheerleading coach has been arrested on charges of having an inappropriate relationship with a young teenage boy."

Has been arrested. Was already on administrative leave. In short, she's being punished and gotten rid of.


Now, what happens when gays in Georgia have sex with underage children?

"The numbers suggesting steady condom use among gay youth don’t harmonize with 23-year-old Kelvin Barlow’s experiences in Atlanta. “A lot of my partners are not thinking about condoms,” said Barlow, who was diagnosed with HIV at age 17. “I think I’m usually the first one to bring [condom use] up [in sexual situations]. Sometimes my partners know my status and sometimes they don’t — they just want to jump in the bed.”

Barlow believes a combination of ignorance and emptiness led to his seroconversion. “At that time I was the dumbest thing walking — I thought I was invincible and could do whatever and not get ill,” said Barlow, who was 15 and dating a 35-year-old man. “I thought I was in this relationship with this man who loved me, why do we need to wear condoms?”"

http://www.southernvoice.com/2007/10-26/news/localnews/7613.cfm?page=2

Or how about when gay and lesbian teachers have sex with students?

http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=3188


Looks like they walk away without criminal charges -- and with infected teenagers in their wakes.

Then again, like everything else, the attitude of the gay community towards gay and lesbian people having sex with underage minors and with students is, "Don't like it? Don't don't go, or read about it, or look at pics...simple."

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty | Dec 20, 2008 12:07:23 AM

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