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04/15/2009

Video: Views as regressive as the color scheme

by Jeremy Hooper

Congrats, NOM: The ridiculous anti-gay ad torch that you've been been holding all week has just been passed:

Silence. Those who most need to embrace it are usually the ones to most loudly resist.

Dare to Stand [IFI]

*The organization that posted this ad, the Illinois Family Institute, is an SPLC-certified hate group They, led by professional overlooker-of-gay-bullying, Laurie Higgins, are also the key organizers of the DOS walkout.

*EARLIER: Their blind eyes are DEAD wrong [G-A-Y]

*If anyone recognizes this school (presumably in IL), please let us know. We have a few questions about its usage, and how the school board feels about the same.

**UPDATE: You may have noticed that for a short time, this video was down.  Well, that's because the IFI really bumble-fockered its initial presentation, wrongly attirubting it to a local church.  Check out Joe.My.God and BoxTurtle Bulletin for more on that.

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Of course the have disabled comments on their video...funny. They want people to take a stand and not be silent...except when it comes to public debate about their propaganda and shameful message.

Posted by: ZnSD | Apr 15, 2009 2:10:16 PM

Of course the have disabled comments on their video...funny. They want people to take a stand and not be silent...except when it comes to public debate about their propaganda and shameful message.

Posted by: ZnSD | Apr 15, 2009 2:13:21 PM

That is funny, Zn, because comments were allowed when I first posted it.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Apr 15, 2009 2:17:41 PM

What a load of horseshit! They have certainly earned their hate-group status if by no other action than this video. And the endless trumpeting of their self-fabricate "victim" claim is getting really tired.

But, what they are really doing is teaching the next generation of fag-bashers not only that it is okay to bully and belittle, but that it's a badge of honor. And they should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: Dick Mills | Apr 15, 2009 2:18:38 PM

WTF is this world coming to? Seriously...
stumbled across your blog via a blip about the Domino's folks

the radical religious right scares the hell out of me, just don't understand why some people feel the need to legitimize hate...i suppose it's true, they must feel inferior, uncomfortable, accepting the fact that not everyone is the same, that in reality we are all different but deserving of the same respect...really wish these folks would seek out help instead of spewing hate and propaganda like this

Posted by: btezra | Apr 15, 2009 2:26:15 PM

sorry for the dbl post. yes, they disabled comments on the vid and on their youtube page as well. Unsurprising but I just think it's hilarious to send a message of "stand up & speak out" and then censor or ban any feedback!

Posted by: ZnSD | Apr 15, 2009 2:31:31 PM

Yes, this video is over the top but some of the points are very important to pay attention to. Just because you are different doesnt mean I should give a flying hoot. I dont need to "accept" you...respect you as a human sure...but accept...no. Schools dont need to teach that its ok. That is the responsibility of the parents NOT THE SCHOOL. School is for reading, writing, and arithmetic. It should not be used for social agendas by anyone (including gays, christians, black or any other group).

I respect your right to live, work, play and your pursuit of happiness. But I dont need to accept or like you, and I dont appreciate having my kids being forced to like or accept you.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 15, 2009 2:53:48 PM

Did anyone notice that only 5 kids walked out of the classroom. I'm hoping that's the same response they get in real life too.

As propaganda it's really bad. That whole classroom should have stood up...stomped on the teacher and marched from room to room freeing all the other students, ripping the tape from their mouths...then they could form a circle around the flag pole for a group prayer...and some good ole gay bashing. Now that would have been exciting and uplifting.

Posted by: Taylor | Apr 15, 2009 3:15:50 PM

Why are they having tape across their mouths? Surely that isn't part of it?

Posted by: corvidae | Apr 15, 2009 3:20:02 PM

right Jason. Kids aren't supposed to engage in actual real life in school - life where they discuss things like love, sex and the difference between right and wrong. Sure. Apparently they're just supposed to be automatons who go to school to learn as you said: reading, writing and arithmetic. If that was all my child learned at school I'd be pretty disappointed.
Tolerance includes keeping your opinion to yourself. Children aren't being forced to like anyone or anything. They are however being encouraged to think for themselves and not judge others based on outdated modes of thinking based on religious bigotry.

Posted by: ZnSD | Apr 15, 2009 3:21:12 PM

So, Jason, do you teach your children that it is okay to bully and belittle those that you (or they) don't like or don't accept? An eleven year old kid just hanged himself because of bullying jackasses!!! And that happened in a public school. Where are you which your children are bullying those that you "don't need to accept or like"? What if your children were the ones on the receiving end of that bullying or belittling?

Posted by: Dick Mills | Apr 15, 2009 3:29:20 PM

Also, Wow, Jason, you sure have a chip on your shoulder. Can I point out that the day of silence is not as portrayed as here? People (lbgt and allies) choose to be silent for a day, in order to raise awareness about heterosexist (believing that straightness is the normal position) bullying.

Teachers do not generally get involved, except by allowing it to happen, but if the teacher did say they were okay with lbgt people would that be so bad?

It's not like indoctrination of the type you are describing happens, people are generally more accepting because they either know of or about lbgt people earlier.

They don't need to know the details, they just need to know that sometimes women marry women, and men marry men.

Posted by: corvidae | Apr 15, 2009 3:29:37 PM

I'm guessing Jason has no idea what the Day of Silence is actually about. It has nothing to do with forced acceptance.

Posted by: BrinkleyBoy | Apr 15, 2009 3:31:18 PM

I watched a portion of the video and I believe the actions in the video may be illegal. A number of states prohibit video depictions of children being abused or injured. The first scenes in the video certainly struck a chord of violence with me.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 15, 2009 3:31:37 PM

Things I did as a school child:

-checked out the Bible (one of several) from the school library with no drama and plenty of praise

-participated in Day of Silence with a little drama and a lot of scandalized looks

Day of Silence was tolerated at my school for the FOUR OF US who participated. The back of the bus isn't big enough for people of faith (or even just Christians, since this video only shows that particular faith) to be forced into. Religious MAJORITY: have you even been to public school ever? False all over.

Also: do you like how they say gay men have a short life expectancy but neglect to mention it's because of all the violence and misinformation going around? Nice.

Posted by: L.A. Fields | Apr 15, 2009 3:32:56 PM

Oh and I'm sorry, but the claim about Easter and Patriots' Day having been replaced on the school calender by Earth day and Spring Break - What was that all about?

Patriots' Day is only recognized in few states. I'd never even heard of it before. It's been replaced by Earth Day? What? Why, because they fall around the same time and one is more widely observed than the other? Must be the fault of those dang tree-huggin', America-hatin' liberals.

And Spring Break is on the school calender because it's a break from classes - in the SPRING. It hasn't "replaced Easter." Easter, and Passover, both happen over the weekend so I'm not sure why they'd even be on the school calendar anyway.

Posted by: BrinkleyBoy | Apr 15, 2009 3:43:56 PM

Dick Mills,
I said "I respect your right to live..." etc. People who bully or belittle dont have that respect.

ZnSD,
Yes I believe that class is in philosophy in high school. Love and sex are not topics kids (less than 12...not teens) should care about. If they wonder about that then the parents can help and discuss with them. You know...the idea of parenting...teaching morals, right/wrong, and even sex...parenting...not something you need to make the teacher teach so you dont have to do your job as a parent.


People get bullied for all sorts of reasons. If you want to raise awareness against bullying then that seems fair, but to attach it to a special group of people and say that it hurts that group the most...thats the bothering part. Thats the part that says, "Accept me" or "Notice me".
If instead you did it during bullying awareness week, maybe you wouldnt get bad looks because its during a time that makes sense. Heck then you can be aware that bullying affects everyone...gays, fat kids, slow kids, colored kids, glasses kids...and that in fact your bullying problem isnt all that special.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 15, 2009 3:59:42 PM

L.A. Fields, I feel the need to correct your one statement:

"Also: do you like how they say gay men have a short life expectancy but neglect to mention it's because of all the violence and misinformation going around?"

The correction is that the myth that gay men live shorter lives is a lie from one of the most notorious of the lying liars, Paul Cameron. His "research" has all of the markings of being the conception of a moron, and the execution of a baboon. His lies have absolutely no scientific credibility. And all of those, like Laurie Higgins, who continue to promulgate his lies, are nothing but lying liars themselves.

THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE to suggest that gay men or lesbians live lives that are any shorter than the general population. And, that "43 years lie" is just exactly that, a convenient lie that the lying liars continue to repeat just like the rest of their myths.

Posted by: Dick Mills | Apr 15, 2009 4:08:15 PM

Well, Jason, the fact that you use a phrase like "colored kids" when referring to African Americans speaks volumes for where you are on the evolutionary scale. And, it probably speaks volumes for what you teach your children about "respect" as well.

Posted by: Dick Mills | Apr 15, 2009 4:21:00 PM

Jason,

I would love to argue all these points with you but the fact that you actually wrote "colored kids" is enough for you to dig your own grave. It's 2009. Where have you been the last 50 years? Under a rock? COLORED KIDS???? You need a reality check and FAST. If you think that children aren't thinking and talking about love and sex before age 12 (HAHAHAHA) then you are SERIOUSLY out of touch. I pity any child you might parent.

BTW, find ONE news report or any type of report that shows children being bullied to the point of suicide or homicide that isn't related to LGBT issues and we'll then decide whether your argument has ANY merit. Be gone troll!

Posted by: ZnSD | Apr 15, 2009 4:36:45 PM

Let's see. Gays are after your children. Check. Gays are after your first amendment rights. Check. Gays live half as long as straights. Check. Ladies and gentlemen, we have here the unholy trifecta.

Posted by: RainbowPhoenix | Apr 15, 2009 5:15:24 PM

You know, for some reason I was reminded of this "classic" video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4enfUyGWSY

Posted by: RainbowPhoenix | Apr 15, 2009 5:34:11 PM

The video had been removed.

Posted by: remix | Apr 15, 2009 6:00:29 PM

this from the Blend..haven't checked:
*[new] The video is gone
The video is no longer on Youtube.
by: The Author @ Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 16:41:49 PM CDT
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Posted by: LOrionL | Apr 15, 2009 6:02:11 PM

ZnSD,
Bullying not related to LGBT that caused a suicide. Easy...
http://isanticountynews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5844&Itemid=1
Or even cyber bullying...remember the myspace girl that killed herself?
LGBT bullying is not a special kind of bullying and does not need some special day to make people aware of it. What it does need is for LGBT to realize that their bullying is not special and to join up with another bullying group that is more broad at stopping the idea of bullying in general.

Do we all have to be always politically correct? I say "colored" and you think black when there are a bunch of other colors in the rainbow. I love how one group can say one word but another group is shunned for saying the same word. Or how political correctness changes from day to day and one word today is a bad word tomorrow. Political correctness is just a way to prevent people from being offended and usually the person most offended is the person who the statement affects the least. Would you rather I said "african american kids, latino (wait thats probably a bad word too)...spanish kids, indian kids, asian (is that word still ok?) kids"? Maybe you would have been less offended if I said "ethnic kids"(wait never mind thats probably a bad term too).

And I wasnt saying that kids dont think about sex/love...I said that if they do its the parents responsibility to teach them not the schools.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 15, 2009 6:10:40 PM

Actually there are no details in that article for one to discern whether or not anti-gay verbage was used in the bullying but chances are high that at some point the word fag was used since it's the most popular put-down for middle-aged kids. How do I know? I work with kids. The kid might be overweight, slow or sensitive - and while he might get called fat or stupid or retarded the old tried and true way to torture young boys is to continually call them a faggot. It's pretty common.

As for your rant about being "politically correct": the term 'colored' went out in the 60's! How old and out of touch are you??? Is it so hard to call people how they would like to be called? What does it hurt you? This is typical trolling. And no, you didn't say that kids under 12 don't think about sex & love you said they SHOULDN'T - like that's something that anyone can control! Children learn how to interact with the world at school because that's where they first experience the world outside of the home. If you don't understand how important it might be to make sure that all of those children are protected and taught, yes, TAUGHT to be respectful of all people regardless of some outdated notion of societal norms then there's no hope to even try to dialogue with you because you not only don't get it, you choose not to understand.

Posted by: ZnSD | Apr 15, 2009 7:08:34 PM

The video is back up with ratings disabled (along with comments): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9d38EoQ9pg

Posted by: remix | Apr 15, 2009 8:43:53 PM

Did Jason have a coronary? Or pop a vessel? Or did he just give up because he realized that his brand of stupidity is entirely bereft of substance. Not to mention that he is shooting himself in the privates every time he types a comment. Maybe at least he won't be tea-bagging for a while?

Posted by: Dick Mills | Apr 15, 2009 9:40:36 PM

To anyone speaking out towards Jason:

I'm new to posting on here, and new to reading the posts on here as well, so I don't know if this is the norm. But this guy gets on, with a different opinion from the majority of the people on here, and he gets slammed. Instead of saying "Well, I can understand where you're coming from, but here's what I think and why..." you say "I would argue those points, but instead I'm just going to pick apart your verbage."

Having been on my fair share of message boards, I know it's hard to address people who use the same arguments again and again. I know that I've fallen into the trap of just going off on these people. But, we need to stop doing that. We've got to start actually communicating with people on the other side. View points can be changed, people can be reasoned with. Just because we respect Jason's right to an opinion does not mean that we have to accept it. But if we want to get anywhere, we have to try to hold a civil conversation.

While I may not agree with everything that he said, he does have a point. There are already enough groups out there that work against bullying in general. Do we need to make a special day of it to bring awareness? Or can we work it into the rest of the programs, bringing attention to the problem in the specifics as well as the problem of bullying in general? Would that be more acceptable? Would that make more sense from a logistical stand point?

And on the point that these are things that should be taught in the home, many parents are not comfortable doing that, on any number of issues. While I'm not saying it's right, I will say that that is the biggest reason the schools do what they do. And for most things you have to sign a permission slip for your child to learn about it in the classroom. It's not like you don't know in advance that the topic is going to be discussed at length. In most cases at least.

Posted by: Jack | Apr 15, 2009 11:54:29 PM

ZnSD,
Ok, so that article didnt give the gruesome details that you were looking for, but the myspace girl (which plenty of details are available online) was not harassed because of sexual preference, and yet she still killed herself. Your basically trying to say that bullying only happens to gays and you should have your own special day...when in fact it happens to everyone and your "day" should probably be best connected with something that helps everyone. The day is more of trying to bring attention to yourselves vs attention to the problem of bullying.

The word colored may have been considered derogatory after the 60's but it has never left. Most who stopped using it were afraid of the stigma it would bring to them. In my post I was not using it in a derogatory way, and it made since. Its sad that you are offended by a word that wasnt directed at you. Just like you can use the term faggots but no one should be offended because of the context.

Yes children need to be taught respect but that teaching needs to come from the home. No school teacher can teach your kid respect better than the parents can. No amount of teaching at school will change the kids mind when the parents provide a bad example.

I didnt say they shouldnt think about love/sex...I said "Love and sex are not topics kids (less than 12...not teens) should care about"...they shouldnt care about it...but if you continue reading I say "If they wonder about that then the parents can help and discuss [it] with them". So they are free to think what they wish but it is the parents job to teach them about those items and not the schools.

You should notice a constant theme here...parents are the best teachers and should be responsible for teaching their kids societal behaviors/customs and setting good examples. That is not the responsibility of a school teacher. It is more important to the well being of our nation that people are taught productive skills at work (like science, math, reading, writing) than it is to teach them social courtesies.

ZnSD, I hope that in our conversations I havent attacked you directly or been disrespectful about your choices and mostly I've tried to express my views. If it pleases you, I'll try to be more "PC" so you dont feel personally offended.

Dick,
Some of us have school and jobs to go to. Deal with the fact that I cant respond immediately to every post. I will not extend the same courtesy that I have to ZnSD. Learn to read and to think critically. Also, think before you write...your "tea-bagging" comment was just plain ...pointless...because if I was to be "tea-bagging" someone...then I would be gloating over a victory. There has been no victory so "tea-bagging" doesnt make any sense. Please think before you type...its a very useful skill to have in this age.

This thread will probably get lost in the vastness of the net and we could probably discuss this forever and go nowhere except to learn about each others thoughts about life. I have no problem doing that but would detract from the original post by the editor. Let me know if you would like to continue this via email or some other method like a google group.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 16, 2009 12:05:18 AM

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