Pete asks me to come into the, uhm, light; I'm too busy planning my wedding to care
Several people have asked yours truly if I plan to address Peter LaBarbera's new post about me. My answer: Not really, at least not at length. I really only wish to say four things:
(1) I take issue with his first paragraph because of this parenthetical element: "(There’s something surreal about getting a tolerance lecture from some irate pro-gay fellow who spews vulgarities as he brings the message that I am Satan’s brother, a covert homosexual (of course), and I am going to burn in hell because I oppose homosexuality.)" Since his entire post is about me, this quip makes it sound like I'm the "irate pro-gay fellow" to which he is referring. I've requested Pete look into and consider an edit.
(2) His fundamental argument is flawed. My issue is not about the content of the letters he publishes, and the problem is not my supposed "inability to differentiate between a hate letter and a heartfelt personal note." The issue is that when he writes me, he's ALL ABOUT "off the record," but when others write him, he's ALL ABOUT using those emails to his advantage. Regardless of the content, there is a double standard in his operation.
(3) How incredibly arrogant is it for someone who you've never actually met, and who has no clue about your personal spiritual life, to tell you (and the public) that you need "to come into the light of Christ!"?! I find that mindset truly astounding. And honestly, it pretty much invalidates any other point that he may raise.
(3) In the ten hours since he posted his piece, I have had less than twenty viewers come here via Pete's site. This despite the fact that there are a whopping five G-A-Y links within his post. So this shows that either few are reading it , or that few of Pete's readers care to actually hear what I have to say. Either option numbs any concern I might have had (which was already hovering somewhere between nil and minute).
If you care to read and form your own opinions, go check it out for yourself: Jeremy Hooper Misses the Point [AFT]
Obviously he's trying to imply that you ARE the "irate pro-gay fellow who spews vulgarities". Never mind that you've never, on this site, spewed any kind of vulgarities.
This is typical of LaBarbera-he makes misleading statements, and counts on people being too ignorant to challenge them.
Posted by: Bill S | May 31, 2009 11:31:26 AM
Well Bill, he assured me in a private email that this was not his intent. So we'll see if he takes any strides to correct.
Although anyone who knows me and my work knows that I am anything but irate/vulgar. So at the end of the day, who really cares? Let 'em play their games -- ours are winning.
Posted by: G-A-Y | May 31, 2009 11:48:26 AM
But Jeremy, if you repented, you could trade all those boring wedding expenses and domestic dramas for a life spent traveling, investigating kinky gay sex events, and enjoying an all-you-can-eat* gay porno buffet, all wholly subsidized by other good Christians who you've whipped up into a fear frenzy!
If it weren't for double standards, that man would have no standards at *all*.
By the way, does anyone else look at the "soul as trophy" bit and think about deer heads on a wall being considered "trophies," too?
*I see the potential double entendre and keep it anyway.
Posted by: GreenEyedLilo | May 31, 2009 11:52:06 AM
What a freakin' closet case!
Posted by: Patrick | May 31, 2009 11:54:14 AM
That's true. We are winning rights for these poor, self-loathing closet cases like La Barbera. Any dime store shrink can see what they're obsession with gays is really about.
Posted by: L7 | May 31, 2009 12:33:13 PM
No, I cannot say I've ever seen any vulgarities either, usually this site to be lighthearted and funny (even when the topic is neither). He just relies on his audience's lack of curiosity to make his point for him. This is exemplified by the fact that so few have checked this site. After all, why would they want to dispel the myths that make them so comfortable.
Posted by: DanM | May 31, 2009 12:33:20 PM
I read his whole thing, and it just irritated me.
What angers me is that it seems like he's trying to convert you. His whole argument is based on 'My truth is the One Truth', which goes against what America is about.
People came to America to practice freedom of religion. No one's truth here is the one truth that everyone must follow. Heck, even if I was straight, my truth is still different from others. Everyone differs in their truths, whether it be in small or large ways.
Posted by: Clicky the Fox | May 31, 2009 1:14:26 PM
This is what one "christian" considered "coming to the light" when his frustration (animosity) level spiked:
WICHITA, Kansas -- Dr. George Tiller, a Kansas doctor whose clinic received national attention for performing late-term abortions, was shot to death as he entered his Wichita church on Sunday.
Beware of christians feigning compassionate, heart-felt anything. Way too many of them are just one indigestion-induced, hallucinatory dream ("vision") away from committing their own "GO to the light" actions. And, it doesn't (or shouldn't at least) surprise me that a group which rallies behind (and celebrates) stupid wars to kill Muslims, would be capable of taking their incarnation of "god's wrath" as their justification for their own jihad. After all, that is the motivation behind most terrorists.
On the surface, many of them seem like reasonable and even kindly folk.. but when something bristles their hackles, watch out! Many of them are just tinderboxes, constrained only by a thin thread of lucid consciousness, just waiting for an ignition source. And, the more they lose at the ballot box, or in the court of public opinion, or by judicial decree, or (like Peter) by having their (previously lucrative) funding stream dry up to a trickle, the more fragile their already meager grasp of reality becomes.
Desperation and rabid hatred are like frozen turkeys dipped into overheated turkey fryers - explosive. This jackass in Kansas is NOT the only lunatic left out there.
Posted by: Dick Mills | May 31, 2009 3:02:57 PM
I don't wonder why you've had so few hits on this site coming from LaBarbera's. The entire tone of his post is so self-righteous that any real Christian would be utterly disgusted with it.
It seems Pete likes to quote Scripture. But why quote Leviticus? There isn't a Christian in this world that follows those rules. They were written specifically for the Levites and not at all for the Gentiles.
He might be better served if he applied Matthew 7:5 to himself.
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." - King James Version
Jesus wasn't to fond of hypocrites and actually said nothing about Homosexuals. So, if I were Pete, I'd be awfully careful about casting stones at others.
Posted by: Taylor | May 31, 2009 3:30:59 PM
One question I always have for these folks: Do they never consider that if I *am* religious, that maybe I'm Jewish?
Posted by: G-A-Y | May 31, 2009 3:44:01 PM
I assume that Peter is reading your response and these comments, so I hope he reads this one. I read Peter's post on the AFTAH site in which he affirms that he cares about Jeremy and other gay people, even though he stands squarely against the sin of homosexuality on Biblical grounds.
Assume this is true and assume that we will, absent spiritual conversion, continue to vehemently disagree about Biblical authority. Given this, can you, Peter LaBarbera, be a caring truth-teller without being obnoxious and hostile? I am not suggesting that you water down your views, but if your approach and your tactics (undercover investigations, press release-style posts using heated polemics and insulting terms, deriding your opponents based on their being "mannish" or "effeminate") are yielding mistrust and hostility, on what Christian basis can you continue to employ these tactics year after year?
Posted by: Dan | May 31, 2009 4:00:26 PM
It wouldn't make any difference Jeremy. It's all about "CONVERSION". Their way is the ONLY way. You must believe as they believe, otherwise you are doomed to the eternal fires of hell. Jews and Muslims don't count. They aren't going to heaven either. Let alone the millions of Hindu's and Buddhist.
There is nothing more self-righteous, than a self-righteous Christian.
Posted by: Taylor | May 31, 2009 4:10:37 PM
Oh, and just a headline note: I really have been at the florist all day finalizing the arrangements for my and Andrew's 6/13 wedding. It's such a weird juxtaposition to deal with that, an exercise in pure joy, and at the same time be mindlessly condemned by an online adversary.
Posted by: G-A-Y | May 31, 2009 4:26:54 PM
"Yes, his snarky website upsets me"
Oh drats, you're upsetting Peter.
Posted by: Timothy | May 31, 2009 4:38:15 PM
"...I want you to you repent and believe in the Risen Savior, Jesus Christ, who humbled Himself, came to earth, and died for your sins and mine, so that we might live eternally with Him. In other words, I want you and all homosexuals to “come into the light” and be reconciled to God ..."
Actually, that's not Peter's desire; that's his greatest fear.
I know many many gay people who "believe in the Risen Savior, Jesus Christ" and who are joyously praising God that He is opening eyes and hearts in the Christian Church that redemption is for all, gay or straight. They are setting aside the bondage and condemnation or religious oppression and choosing the freedom of a relationship with Christ rather than a relationship with hidebound tradition.
And church after church is beginning to see and value their gay parishoners. To recognize that Peter's "evil doers" exist mostly in his imagination. And to open their arms and doors.
Not every denomination is there - yet. But this year the ECLA and the PCUSA will again visit full inclusion. The Church of Scotland just approved a gay pastor. The Reformed Church (Holland) is revisiting gay inclusion. Worldwide, Christianity is reconsidering whether it falls on the side of Peter and his message of fear and hate or whether it wants to follow the Jewish Community in America in steping into a new understanding of gay persons. And in so many instances it is moving in the direction of acceptance, inclusion and unity of all, gay or straight.
And this is the biggest threat to Peter, his message, and his livelihood. For as people begin to love their neighbor and reject the message of rejection, exclusion, and condemnation, then Peter will have few left on his side to help raise the flag of discrimination and injustice. Or to pay his bills.
Posted by: Timothy | May 31, 2009 5:18:49 PM
Porno Pete is clearly upset about being exposed at last weekend's Internation Mr. Leather (IML) contest, and now takes it out on anyone who will engage him. Pete's thing isn't that he's a closet case; it's that he's pathologically obsessed with homosexuality. You just don't hang out at IML -- or any such event -- to expose it; you can do that without attending, taking pictures, and practicing deception that Christ himself would condemn. He's taken whatever motivation that started his deviation from being a healthy, normal person and allowed it to fester and grow to the point of not being able to distinguish between reality and the construct he's built for himself.
So many Christians have completely lost touch with their faith, what the Bible says, and what it means to be Christian. As such, Porno Pete deserves our scorn *and* our pity, for he is trapped in a Hell of his own making.
Posted by: Jamie | May 31, 2009 5:29:21 PM
I'm starting to wonder if this closet leather queen has a crush on you. Maybe he's calling for you to convert so you can join him in his "research".
Posted by: RainbowPhoenix | May 31, 2009 7:17:12 PM
The really sad thing for me is that too many people believe in Pete's retoric and are just completly turned off to Christianity. As a christian and a gay man, that bites. Too many people only see this dark stain on coat of Christianity and look no further.
Posted by: Really? | Jun 1, 2009 4:53:05 AM
I couldn't finish his "article." I'm a Christian, but I can only tolerate so much Christianese before I have to turn away in disgust. Real Christians don't talk about God in sound bites and clichés. People using Christianity as a veil for a hateful agenda do.
Posted by: Garet | Jun 1, 2009 10:33:07 AM
At least a whole lot of people are praying for you now! Too bad it's been shown that prayer doesn't work. It's even worse if you know people are praying for you and you expect it to work.
I won't pray for you, buddy, but I'll laugh with you.
Posted by: Zack Ford | Jun 1, 2009 11:40:34 AM
I was in at a gospel concert Friday evening at a church I'd never been in before. I felt like a fish out of water. One of the songs performed actually had the lyrics, "I'm proud to be a Christian." We shouldn't be proud to be a Christian. We should be grateful. It's not like we did anything to deserve it.
Proud Christians are most often the ones who look down their noses at non-Christians, or those whom they would refer to as pseudo-Christians (like me).
Posted by: Bonnie_Half-Elven | Jun 1, 2009 1:05:20 PM
How many times does Heterosexual Pete have to specify that Jeremy is a "homosexual" in that Heterosexual Article?
Would it hurt Heterosexual Pete to just call Jeremy "a blogger"?
Posted by: foundit66 | Jun 1, 2009 7:44:32 PM
Hey Jeremy, you can post this or not, but I just want you to know that not all Christians are bigots. My Church actually ordains gay people, and it makes me sad that people like PL have come to represent Christianity. Ughhhhh God I think would be doing a major facepalm of this guy.
Hey, some Churches will even marry you! UCC, MCC, Episcopal, some Lutheran, some Methodist, ... hummmm.... or whatever.
Keep up the good work, and e-mail me sometime.
Posted by: Katie | Jun 2, 2009 6:41:38 AM
As a gay, evangelical Christian who has survived several years in the ex-gay world and finally been able to reconcile my sexuality and my faith, I get really frustrated when these people tell me that I can't be. I don't need their permission to sit at the table, God sent me one.
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