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09/08/2009

Video: 'Science is now catching up with the Bible'

by Jeremy Hooper

You tell


Learn2Discern: Science Catches Up With the Bible [YT]

Okay, let's break this down:

-The study with a supposed 53% success rate is not really some new research. It's a continuation of the research of Mark Yarhouse and Stanton Jones, two psychologist from Christian colleges who have adopted 'ex-gay" advocacy as their pet cause for this decade. Directly comparing the APA's research (which you can read in full here) with this duo's openly biased work is like comparing Velma Dinkley's spot-on, accurate casings of various fun houses and amusement parks with Shaggy and Scooby's own self-interest-motivated investigations:


(via Dress Up Doll Games)

-But despite this clear difference: The findings, even as Jones and Yarhouse revealed them, are not at all like this video makes them sound. Why? Well, because to get to this 53% number, the researchers took the 23% of their subjects who claimed to have changed, and then combined that with another 30% who simply chose to live a life of celibacy. So the cast majority of this supposed majority is not even faking "change" -- they are full-out admitting that they have forsaken their orgasms in the name of religion.

-By the researchers own admittance, there was a 48% failure rate, ranging from feeling absolutely no decrease in gay desires to experiencing only modest "change." And then there is the issue of dropout rates, with Jones and Yarhouse failing to accurately count those who left the Exodus program. This is important, as one would rightfully assume that the vast, vast, VAST majority of these dropouts would fall in the "no change" category. But rather than count them as such, Jones and Yarhouse simply take them out as a factor of their research.

-Dr. Robert Spitzer has come out MANY, MANY times against the way far-right groups like Coral Ridge Ministries continue to misrep his 2003 research. Yet they're still doing it. Isn't that bizarre? If a person of science flat-out shot you down, wouldn't you feel an obligation to either stop using these same claims, or to at the very least admit that the researcher in question sees his own work differently than you do? Yea, us too.

-At this point in their aggressively fallacious existence, we wouldn't be surprised to learn that the ridge for which this particular ministry is named is actually more of a salmon color.

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I always wonder why these idiots even pretend to care about science. No, you dont think the earth is 6000 years old because of evidence and logic, stop fucking kidding yourself, you had it pounded into your brain with weekly lessons and threats of damnation. In the exact same manner you, a straight guy who would never ever claim to be able to become gay, dont think gays can change because of science or reason, you had it pounded into your head by your bigoted religion.

Posted by: penguinsaur | Sep 8, 2009 3:51:53 PM

He is allowing comments! After he reads mine, he might might choose to join the ranks of the ex-comment-tolerant... Which, in all frankness, he probably was mostly "comment intolerant" in the first place, but now he can trumpet it as some kind of "achieved goal", if only he could come up with some way to profit from it...

Posted by: Dick Mills | Sep 8, 2009 4:31:37 PM

They know exactly what they are doing when they repeat lies. Other than bloggers no one challenges them on it so they feel they can repeat it. When they get other challenges (much like they did on Paul Cameron's information) they will stop repeating their lies.

Posted by: a. mcewen | Sep 8, 2009 4:58:51 PM

So gays with a guilty conscience were the participants in the study? And less than a quarter of them claimed to have changed? And for how long did the change 'work'?

I really have to try my hand at putting this type of spin on a pro gay piece. Oh, that's right, I don't have to put a spin to make it pro gay. All I have to do is deal with the facts.

Posted by: Julie M. | Sep 9, 2009 1:20:30 AM

I'm left-handed. If, out of religious guilt, parental punishment and/or peer pressure, I started using my right hand exclusively, would I no longer be left-handed or right brained? Hardly... but guilt and fear of eternal damnation is a powerful gun to one's head. It would be interesting, and much more honest, if they had run the same study with non-religious people.

Posted by: Ted H. | Jan 3, 2010 8:38:07 PM

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