First they come for marriages; Next they come for any Catholic who goes off message?
You know that new "No on 1" spot that we showed you last night? The one that features the Catholic mom standing up for her gay son and his partner? Yea, well -- apparently there are some Catholics who think that it's a lie to be both a religious and a pro-gay person, and that any campaign that claims otherwise should have their ad campaign pulled from the airwaves:
CHICAGO – Homosexual advocates have released a shameless new ad featured a grandmother and two gay men urging Maine votes to approve ‘same-sex’ marriage. The grandmother in the new commercial speaks about her Catholic faith and the importance of the institution of marriage, but then urges voters to support ‘same-sex’ marriage.
CatholicVoteAction.org President Brian Burch said, “For decades gay and lesbian groups have attacked the Catholic Church for refusing to accept their skewed views on human sexuality and marriage. Having lost that battle, they have now launched this desperate and despicable attempt to curry favor with Catholics by pretending that the Catholic faith supports their radical agenda.”
Burch continued, “Gay marriage groups have lost virtually every ballot question put before the people for a vote, including a major defeat in California last November. They are no longer content to defend their radical beliefs on their own, and instead have stooped to lying about the Catholic Church and its teachings, proof that gay activists will stop at nothing to promote their agenda.”
“Everybody knows the Catholic Church is opposed to counterfeit marriages. The Church believes marriage is a natural institution, vindicated by common reason that serves both men and women, and the needs of children. The Church defends marriage as a civic institution believing marriage and family to be the fundamental unit of society,” explained Burch.
“For homosexual groups to suggest that the Catholic Church believes otherwise is disingenuous, dishonest, and an insult to the intelligence of Catholic voters in Maine,” said Burch.
“We call on Protect Maine Equality to stop lying about our faith and to immediately pull this ad,” said Burch
CatholicVoteAction.org Calls on Maine Group to Pull ‘Catholic’ Gay-Marriage Ad [Facebook]
(H/t: Dan Gilgoff)
Okay, let's recap here: This ad features one human being telling her own personal story about her own personal faith views. But because her faith views don't call for the rejection of gay people and their civil rights, this Catholic group is accusing her of being an agenda-laden liar? And even though the Catholic church has contributed an unbelievable amount of resources to the "Yes on 1" campaign with the singular message that same-sex marriage is wrong, this particular group is accusing this one mother/grandmother of being "disingenuous, dishonest, and an insult to the intelligence of Catholic voters in Maine" because her faith-based message is different from their own? And yet WE'RE THE ONES THEY ACCUSE OF THREATENING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM?!??!?!
Mainers, please tell us you're paying attention to all this!
**UPDATE, 10/14: Yes on One (and only one version of Christianity) [G-A-Y]
She doesn't say anything about the views of the church. And I'd guess Catholic Vote Action hasn't heard about Maine Catholics for Marriage Equality? Is attacking their intelligence the way to convince them they're wrong?
Posted by: ColdCountry | Oct 13, 2009 2:49:00 PM
Apparently they're trying to ignore the fact that under this logic, they'll have to go after most of the catholics in the country.
Posted by: RainbowPhoenix | Oct 13, 2009 2:53:11 PM
Oh boy. I would positively love this to go to a legal battle.
Go on, CVA, make a legal complaint. Tell a court judge that the grandmother in the advert isn't a Real Catholic. Get the court to decide the definition of the word 'Catholic'...
The CVA is indulging in the well-known 'No True Scotsman' fallacy. This fallacy has become so common in the theist-atheist debate that any argument using it instantly dies. The fallacy is basically to assume that you personally can decide who is and who is not a Real True Scotsman, or a Real True Catholic, or a Real True Democrat. Other examples are denying that gay people can be Real True Christians, or claiming that all Real True Mormons must be against marriage equality.
Because, you know, you can agree with the Pope on every other issue, but if you think your gay son deserves happiness with his partner, you must be a sham.
On that note, ColdCountry, it wouldn't make any difference to tell CVA about Maine Catholics for Marriage Equality. CVA would just reply that MCME aren't Real True Catholics either.
Posted by: Baron Scarpia | Oct 13, 2009 3:26:19 PM
I'm so hap0y they're unhappy.
Posted by: K in VA | Oct 13, 2009 3:33:38 PM
catholic sanctity of marriage????? What about the numerous young, innocent altar boys who were "breeded" without the benefit of marriage? Clean your own house and pay those many molested before you squander your money on stripping people (Also God's children) who do not believe as you do. Over my 63 years as a roman catholic (I'd venture to say I've been more of a Christian than the majority of hate mongers preaching faith now) I've firmly come to believe that there's not ONE organized religion worth a spit! I do have faith in God - God does not condone the greedy folks speaking in HIS name on earth - remember the old joke (how true, how true) "I throw the money up in the air - what stays up is God's money and what comes down is mine." Collections for political reasons - Jesus would certainly have thrown you heathen money changers from the temple.
Posted by: tom | Oct 13, 2009 5:28:09 PM
What's interesting is that at least part of what makes her a grandmother is the fact that her son and his partner are parents. (I have no idea if she has any other grandchildren, but they aren't mentioned.) No mention of that via CVA. Which isn't a surprise, but seriously. Also, as an aside, most of my family are Catholic. And, most of them support me and my right to get married. And they vote that way.
Posted by: Em | Oct 14, 2009 3:26:02 AM
While not yet a Mainer, the retirement plans are to go back to my partner's family hometown and the land is waiting for the building, I certainly hope that my future state will recognize the church/state divide. If someone's religion opposed same-sex marriage, then they shouldn't marry someone of their sex but the state should have equal civil marriages.
Posted by: gleeindc | Oct 14, 2009 6:47:27 AM
For what it's worth, I'm a straight guy who's rooting for Maine voters to reject this nonsense and allow same-sex marriage to continue. Good luck and don't give up!
Posted by: trog69 | Oct 15, 2009 11:41:17 AM
Speaking as a cradle Catholic, where does the Catholic Church get off accusing anyone of 'skewed views on human sexuality and marriage'?
Posted by: Powkat | Oct 15, 2009 3:12:30 PM
Taking Marital Counseling and Sexuality advice From the Catholic Church is like taking speech lessons from George W. Bush and Sex therapy from Jeffrey Dalhmer!
Posted by: timnyc | Oct 16, 2009 11:33:07 PM
I am shocked that the Catholic church hasn't been shut down after the molestation of boys scandal. If this scandal happened to any other institution they would have been shut down immediately and federal agents swarming the premise! I am also shocked that there are still Catholics attending church knowing that their priest could be a child molester. Bishop Lahey of Canada has resigned due child porn found on his lap top. He is also he bishop who mediated the settlement between the victims and the catholic church! OMG people!!! Wake up! Stop the madness!
Posted by: Seattlite | Oct 17, 2009 3:50:35 AM
Quoting RainboxPhoenix: Go on, CVA, make a legal complaint. Tell a court judge that the grandmother in the advert isn't a Real Catholic. Get the court to decide the definition of the word 'Catholic'...
Wow! Funniest thing I've heard all day! :) I completely agree; this woman is not expressing the view of the Catholic Church, but her own personal views, which many Catholics share. I am also Catholic and I also fully support gay marriage. Guess that means I'm also "disingenuous, dishonest, and an insult to the intelligence of Catholic voters in Maine".
Posted by: Sara | Nov 4, 2009 2:32:25 PM
Catholics: We Do Not Like Your Families Either.
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