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11/10/2009

'I'm a lot more educated now' FAIL

by Jeremy Hooper

Carrie-PrejeanOh Carrie. Sweet, sweet Carrie:

Christianity Today: Looking back, would you re-word your reply?

Carrie Prejean: Looking back now, I've become so much more educated. In fact, Perez Hilton wasn't even correct when asking the question. He said, "Vermont recently legalized same-sex marriage. Do you think other states should follow suit? Why or why not?" Actually, the people in Vermont didn't even vote. It was the legislature that voted. It's funny, looking back now; obviously I'm a lot more educated [now]. I'm not a spokesperson for traditional marriage, but looking back now, it was such a biased question. For a judge to ask that question and have his own agenda, and if you don't agree with him, [he will] call you every name in the book and then mock you for seven months? That's just crazy.
Q + A: Carrie Prejean [Christianity Today]

In a related story: We don't think Carrie was ever really Miss California, because we "the people" never had a chance to weigh in. That is how it all works, right?

**Oh, and there's also this nugget:

CT: What if the majority didn't believe [in so-called 'traditional marriage']? Would you still say that?

CP: Yeah, it just happens that everyone else agrees with me.

Right. "Everyone else," except for the half of the country (and her home state) that doesn't agree with Carrie. Guess they, like apparently the VT state legislature, don't matter in this government of ours.

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Actually, the people in Vermont didn't even vote. It was the legislature that voted.

And the legislature is made up of what? Chickens?

Posted by: Taylor | Nov 10, 2009 2:55:15 PM

Taylor, clearly, in Carrie's World the work the legislature performs does not include making laws. I guess we can all send all our legislators home and save a lot of tax money, since they are no longer needed to pass laws! Just put every issues/question up to a majority vote...the country will be SOOO much better then! NOT!

Posted by: Ken | Nov 10, 2009 3:26:52 PM

The scary thing to me is that she's been around this "culture war" world for seven months now, and this is what she has gleaned from it all: That "the people" are the way to make law in this country. It speaks to the efficacy of our opposition's misinformative messaging.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Nov 10, 2009 3:37:08 PM

I'm from Vermont (and I don't have any "tasteles" videos of myself on the internet and to all those who might have come upon one if ever there was one they should thank God) and in VERMONT the people's representatives [elected by the people, Carrie - I can't talk down any lower than that to you, m' dear] voted FOR marriage equality - fortunately we did not have the Maine or California fiasco where christian churches voted AGAINST marriage equality - Carrie - stay the hell away from Vermont! Thanks, sweetie!

Posted by: tom | Nov 10, 2009 4:27:00 PM

I just read on another news blog that Carrie said making the sex tape was the biggest mistake of her life - WRONG - the biggest mistake of her life was falling in with the false prophet christians she has been blinded by - when her "story" is written her working against the equality of her fellow man will be her worst legacy.

Posted by: tom | Nov 10, 2009 4:41:17 PM

This woman is still getting press - why?

Posted by: Alonzo | Nov 10, 2009 4:54:14 PM

Yea, I know Alonzo. I promise that barring something monumental, I am pretty much done with covering her on here. Today she's just all over the place because of her book.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Nov 10, 2009 4:58:12 PM

Just a pet peeve of mine; our system is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic. I see far to many people on both sides making that mistake.

Now on the topic of Ms. Prejean, the only way this whole episode could have been better is if that sex tape had involved another woman.

Posted by: RainbowPhoenix | Nov 10, 2009 5:18:11 PM

Thank You! Because to be honest I really don't give damn what some beauty queen of very little importance thinks about us. We have much more powerful foes who deserve our attention.

Posted by: Alonzo | Nov 10, 2009 6:35:23 PM

But even then I don't think it would have mattered Rainbow, because in her circle, she's 'saved' and she was young and Christian's aren't perfect and blah blah blah. To her supporters she is a victim that was bullied by the big bad left and no matter what she did or does she always be golden in their eyes (remind anyone of another Christian attractive woman allegedly vilified by the media, who then went on to make millions from a book deal?)
You can hold any position on any issue you want and claim its because of your faith and no matter how hypocritical you are in life claim that you made a mistake and that you prayed about it and that you sought forgiveness. That's the Christian mantra

Posted by: Ron | Nov 10, 2009 6:44:44 PM

Honestly Alonzo, my instinct from the first moment I saw her pageant answer was to ignore her. I never expected she'd have legs beyond one blog post.

But when she sided with NOM, and Gallagher started writing cover stories that framed the entire marriage fight around her story, we had no choice but to address it. That's why it's so unreal that she is claiming persecution and whatnot. She sought this out! I think most LGBTs were more than willing to let her live in anonymity.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Nov 10, 2009 7:10:37 PM

So following Ms. Prejan's logic of the law wasn't really passed because the people didn't vote on it, does that mean we can just disregard all laws not directly voted on by the people?

Posted by: stojef | Nov 10, 2009 7:21:46 PM

You know what I would like to see in Maine - a ballot initiative by our side for every single law we just don't like. Seriously. If all it takes is 50,000 votes to get a ballot initiative, why not have our forces out there gathering petition signatures? Even if we lose these initiatives, it's going to be a royal pain in the ass for the people of Maine to have to constantly vote on laws their legislature already passed.

I'd also like to see a ballot initiative in CA that states Carrie Prejan is no longer allowed to represent CA in any sort of pagaent. How awesome would that be?

Posted by: stojef | Nov 10, 2009 7:26:26 PM

"Right. "Everyone else," except for the half of the country (and her home state)..."

California? But Jeremy, the people California passed prop 8, *proving* that they rejected ideas of radical and sweeping changes to public elementary school curriculum!

Oh wait, we're talking about rejection of same-sex marriage itself? Now I'm so confused, aren't they the same issue? My friend Maggie told me that it all had to do with my child being taken to lesbian weddings and my pastor being forced to become a GLAAD member.

Posted by: Christopher Eberz | Nov 10, 2009 7:32:27 PM

I have said it once, and I'll say it again, Carrie needs to get on her hands and knees and thank that douche Perez Hilton for thrusting her into the spotlight to begin with. And it's not like she did an amazing thing with her answer. Anyone who's seen the tape can see that she began to give a neutral answer, then stumbled on to her words, gave up and gave the answer she gave.

There was no "witnessing" as she has professed. She tried to give a beauty queen answer and made herself look like an ass, and the was before she was caught on tape rubbing on her Pudenda!

I cannot wait for this woman to join the ranks of Anita Bryant as a Trivial Pursuit question!

Posted by: Bearchewtoy75 | Nov 10, 2009 7:35:33 PM

Jeremy - of all the bloggers who have covered this story you've been the most respectful and you've really focus on what the real issues are with regards to Prejean's shenanigans.

But with the loss in Maine and the Joe.My.God vs. AFTAH that's starting to brew - she really is small potatoes in my eyes as she always has been.

Again thank you for your fair and balanced coverage of Prejean.

Posted by: Alonzo | Nov 10, 2009 7:53:42 PM

As a fourth generation Californian, I would like to sincerely apologize for inflicting Carrie Prejean on the rest of the nation.

Posted by: TomTallis | Nov 11, 2009 12:40:11 AM

Fair and Balanced Coverage? This website is starting to sound like another media outlet, FOX NEWS.
Just keep repeating a message, and let the ditto-heads and people with their "pet diversities" repeat their "mantras".

I think the LGBTQABCDEFGH needs to work a different angel....angle....
Have a great day folks.

Posted by: Bob Stevens | Nov 11, 2009 7:08:08 AM

Bob: I will refer to G-A-Y's mission statement, adopted January 2005:

***
Good As You represents a new generation of GLBT activism. Now is the time for intelligent, progressive-minded individuals to step up and fight for the common rights of which they might be denied. We're here to rally the troops.

-We have made it our mission to investigate any organization/media outlet/personality in regards to discriminatory language or actions. In turn we will always extend the opportunity for these individuals or groups to speak on their own behalf, as we do support the First Amendment right of all.

-We strive to provide a safe, progressive, and positive forum in which we work to eliminate discrimination and intolerance. Privacy will always be protected, and all sources/tips will remain anonymous, unless otherwise arranged/indicated.

-We don't feel it is our right or responsibility to "out" anyone, and we vow to never do so. Don't bother sending us "we saw so-and-so groping a twink at SBNY" messages. We do not care.

Our tone is light, but our message is firm: We will not sit back and be led to a society that favors discrimination over diversity.
***

We have a point of view, Bob. Unapologetically. Unabashedly. Explicitly.

But when you find a factual error, then you can let me know.

**Just point of info, everyone: "Bob Stevens" is the guy who seemed to have some sort of personal reasons for "defending" Donald Mendell, with little to no concern for what any on our side actually had to say on the matter. See the comment chain here for reference:

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-donald-mendell-stand-for-marriage-maines-latest-talking-point.html#comment-form

I'm not saying he necessarily has a direct connection to Mr. Mendell. But his "gays are wrong, end of story!" mindset was definitive of the the "yes on 1" side in general, and the Don Mendell situation in particular.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Nov 11, 2009 8:19:57 AM

Well Played, Sir.

I will say one thing.

I have respect for you and your site in the fact that you believe in the truth in what you are doing. I can be a little snippy, or alot with comments and that will come to light with personal reflection over what I say or do. I hope to learn from these things as well.

I want to apologize sir, for some of the off comments I have said. However, I will not fade on other people to do the same thing. Although we might not agree on 2% out of 100 topics of conversation, I will say again I respect the right for people to stand up for what they truly believe. I think to use government or religious ideology is perfectly acceptable for individuals, I mean it is what our country was founded on.

I did stand up for Mr. Mendel, you keep pointing that out, thank you, I am not ashamed of this even though it seems like you use it like you have some moral highground on me.... If you read what he says, it is not homophobia or not understanding in the matter. It is what he truly thinks about this one situation. Odds are, people would agree on alot of other things he would say, just not in this case.... Coming to your website, I should have and will take into account of this.

Good luck with your website and I will do my best to monitor what I say, thinking before reacting. I hope this post suits better what I think, with a little better understanding. And if it is a win or lose thing with a debate, than so be it. But let me say one thing, without critical thinking (which I am guilty of not doing sometimes...) and just reacting off feelings which really does happen, there is a lesser chance of a resolution and it will just add to a endless debate.

Have a great day folks..

Posted by: Bob Stevens | Nov 11, 2009 8:38:19 AM

the topic of Ms. Prejean came up at work yesterday. In a room of about 8 people only 2 knew anything about her: the person who brought it up and asked me about her appearance on the Today Show, knowing I'd be informed, and myself. I then had the opportunity to educate the other 6 people in the room who had no idea what has been going on, and could vaguely recall the pageant scandal. I think this is a good reason to continue coverage of Ms. P's actions, including the [not]sex tape. The MSM has covered about 3 events in her life: the pageant scandal, the loss of the Miss CA title, and now the introduction of her book. Most of America is hearing, and believing, that she's been attacked by those militant HO-MO-SEK-SHULS, and not being told about her connection to NOM and other anti-gay organizations. The coverage is important here, but it's also important that ALL of us talk to our families, friends, and co-workers about the real intent to harm LGBT people from organizations and people who hide behind religion to spew their hatred.

Posted by: keltic | Nov 11, 2009 9:05:27 AM

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