Manhattan Declaration's most eye-opening signature yet
Guess who has just been added to the list of Manhattan Declaration signers:
Yes that's right: Scott Lively. A man who is most known for being an anti-gay Holocaust revisionist, and who is currently under much scrutiny for his role in the heinous Uganda legislation. He's also a man whose ministry is one of only eleven outfits to be listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a bona fide anti-gay hate group, which means that the Manhattan Declaration signatory list now includes representatives from two of the eleven groups on SPLC's list (with the Traditional Values Coalition being the other).
But hey, if the Manhattan Declaration's guiding voices over at Focus on the Family and The National Organization For Marriage (Jim Daly and Robert George, respectively) want to get in bed with Scott Lively, we're not gonna kick 'em out. We will, however, pull back the covers.
*Lively's signature here: Additional Signers [Manhattan Declaration]
*For those not familiar with the Manhattan Declaration: It's a new document being supported by "mainstream" pro-fam groups like Focus on the Family. Read it here. Information about some of its other overheated signers can be found here.
**UPDATE: Just noticed that Lively is fittingly listed right behind Lafferty/TVC, his fellow SPLC-lister:
and if you want to counter that piece of trash, sign your name to the Affirmation Declaration here: http://www.affirmationdeclaration.org/index.php?go=sign
Posted by: Mykelb | Dec 11, 2009 3:46:31 PM
Any appearance of civility that the ManDec crowd once had (which isn't much) is now gone. I wonder when Martin Ssempa will join the illustrious group of signatories?
Posted by: Mark | Dec 11, 2009 3:52:13 PM
I followed the link to Scott Lively's drivel of a book on Amazon to read the reviews. What do I find, this from former Assembly member Scott Baldwin 77 district, CA:
Excellent book! This book gives ample evidence that the sexual perversion of homosexuality easily lends itself to authoritarian impulses. Not only do the authors make a strong case that homosexuals played a critical role in the formation of the Nazi Party, but they also show how many Nazi leaders in Europe and the USA also came from the gay movement. The myth that all gays were persecuted by the Nazis is demolished in this book -- most of the camp guards were sadistic gays. The underlying theme is that when a society accepts a moral relativistic philosophy (leading to acceptance of homosexuality) it could very well lead to the eventual destruction of our constitutional rights. The authors show that the reason why the Nazis were so anti-semitic had to with historical reasons. The Jewish culture -- with its old testament ethical system -- brought an end to the macho-gay/Warrior mentality that dominated so much of ancient Europe, especially ancient Rome and Greece. These ancient pagen cultures, which glorified sex between warriors, were worshiped by the Nazis who blamed the Jews for the introduction of biblical morality which, of course, condemned homosexuality and ended much of the pagan lifestyle in Europe. I highly recomment this book. California State Assemblyman Steve Baldwin
Posted by: john marshall | Dec 11, 2009 4:03:54 PM
Scott Lively tortured Oregonians for years with his anti-gay rhetoric when he was working with the Oregon Citizen's Alliance. He is fundamentally certifiable and dishonest. In his professional c.v., he lists himself, with incredible irony, as a "Human Rights Advocate" claiming to have received a "Certificatè" from the Institute of International Human Rights, Strasbourg, France. I'm sure that technically he earned his "certificate of participation" or perhaps a "certificate of attendence" as the IIHR calls them in their brochures but to state in a professional bio that he has a "certificatè" is disingenuous at best.
Posted by: Steve | Dec 11, 2009 4:40:18 PM
Seems that Assemblyman Baldwin's authoritarian Bible has trumped his own brain, John.
Posted by: Mykelb | Dec 11, 2009 4:41:48 PM
I don't understand how Lively and the other signers sleep at night. If I felt this way about anyone, I wouldn't sleep at all because my conscience wouldn't allow it. Apparently, this cast of poseurs not only do not have consciences, but they have no soul, or heart which is, IMO, the most essential of the three.
Posted by: majii | Dec 11, 2009 6:28:54 PM
One need only look further than Jeff Gannon & Mark Sanchez and on and on and on....
Posted by: john M | Dec 12, 2009 3:43:53 AM
I wonder how many of the signers of this Christianista Manifesto are also members of THE FAMILY? One can only guess, but I would suspect that most of the more "prominent" of them are??
If anyone wants to read Lively's drivel, you don't have to shell out the $9.95 + $2.00 for shipping, you can read it here:
But I would recommend the point-by-point refutation of the lies instead:
But, make no mistake, when the lying liars like Sally Kern and those of her ilk, start spewing their hate filled lies, the source of many of the lies is in this steaming pile of Lively dung. It only takes one lying liar who is willing to go on record by fabricating the lies, to provide fodder for all of the other lying liars to quote (with impunity) as if the lies were gospel (which, come to think of it, may not be that far from a perfect analogy). And, these lying liars have quite the cabal of exceptionally eager liars to turn to as the source of their lies.
Posted by: Dick Mills | Dec 12, 2009 1:55:22 PM
Jeremy said "It's a new document being supported by "mainstream" pro-fam groups like Focus on the Family.".
As a matter of accuracy one should never use the term pro-"family" without quotes - they are not pro-family, the are pro-antigay or "family". Its not Focus on the Family, but Focus on the "Family".
Posted by: Priya Lynn | Dec 12, 2009 1:59:08 PM
Ha, priya. Out of the approximately ten billion times I've written "pro-family," you found the one time I did so without quotes.
I promise to never let it happen again ;-)
Posted by: G-A-Y | Dec 12, 2009 2:24:38 PM
I think that Rachel Maddow should start an exhaustive new investigative journalism segment called "Family Ties!" Where she, obviously, documents all of the sordid ties that religiots, politicos, and pundits have to the Talibanistic cult - The Family.
Posted by: Dick Mills | Dec 12, 2009 3:17:36 PM
Didn't Scott Lively physically attack a Gay rights supporter in Oregon and have to pay a court judgement as a result of it?
You might also wish to check out his statements with Watchmen on the Walls regarding the lynching of Singh in Sacramento while speaking to an audience in Russia.
Posted by: Tom in Lazybrook | Dec 12, 2009 6:11:22 PM
In 1991, Lively forcibly ejected lesbian activist Catherine Stauffer from a private Oregon Citizens Alliance event in a church that she was filming. Stauffer received a monetary judgment of over $31,000 against Lively and the OCA in 1992.
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