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02/17/2010

Prediction: Maggie will deny she's alienating gays; Andy, Nick, rest of paying-attention populace to roll eyes

by Jeremy Hooper

201002171046-1At noon today (eastern time), openly gay writer Andrew Sullivan, Britain's openly-gay shadow environment secretary Nick Herbert, and openly equality-hostile Maggie Gallagher will appear at Washington's Cato Institute to discuss gay people's role in conservative politics and society in general. Come back then to watch it all live:

Is There a Place for Gay People in Conservatism and Conservative Politics? [Cato]

**UPDATE: Politics.co.uk has a preview of what Herbert will say: Don't close the door on gays, the Tories tell America

**UPDATE, 12PM
: The video isn't embeddable. So the best we can do for now is to bring you audio snips as they come in:

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(unfortunately the final 2 minutes got bunked up, so we don't have the closing clip. Sorry.)

***UPDATE, 2/19: And now there's video:

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Your thoughts

Andrew Sullivan is such a piece of dog crap. Self-hating, war-mongering, bush II-ass-kissing piece of dog crap.

Posted by: Tom P | Feb 17, 2010 11:47:06 AM

that was fascinating.

Posted by: Jon | Feb 17, 2010 1:34:21 PM

Tom, Do you know anything about Andrew Sullivan? He is constantly attacked in the GOP for his lack of support of Bush and he is one of the few conservatives that are calling for action over the horrible use of torture by the US governement. He is more of a European conservative than a US conservative. He supported Obama because he believed him to be the more conservative canidate. He is not supportive of the GOP as currently structured with its goals which he believes are not compatible with true conservativism. Also he is not self-hating at all. He is a married gay man that has been out for years.

Posted by: Polaris | Feb 17, 2010 1:40:15 PM

I watched this via Joe My God (great blog, as well) and I've never heard a person talk more out of both sides of her @$$ than Ms. Gallagher. I don't need to describe it, watch for yourself. Nick Herbert was the intellectual highlight of the entire program. Good job Nick!

Posted by: Chris | Feb 17, 2010 1:54:35 PM

I watched it directly from the cato site. Maggie certainly came off as an idiot. I hope the program will be available soon. I don't have much to say about Sullivan. It seems much of the conversation was a debate over British politics, with Maggie not really adding much other than her tried & true (de-bunked)talking points.

Posted by: Jon | Feb 17, 2010 2:18:51 PM

"... I've never heard a person talk more out of both sides of her @$$ than Ms. Gallagher."

Chris, those are referred to as the "two great halves of her @$$".

Posted by: Dick Mills | Feb 17, 2010 2:34:16 PM

What did you expect out of Gallagher who thinks teh geys are less than human, but doesn't want to be know as a bigot. There's no way to pull that off without talking in circles.

Posted by: Bob Barnes | Feb 17, 2010 2:49:39 PM

It is absolutely true that Maggie has exhausted her playbook. We all now know the full extent of her arguments. There is nothing new under the sun. She will keep repeating the same lines, and they will keep ringing hollow when fairly scrutinized.

She's not a dumb person. It's really kind of sad to see an intellectual struggle to justify something that simply cannot be justified.

Posted by: G-A-Y | Feb 17, 2010 3:03:22 PM

I love the way Maggie finds the most poetic and gentle ways of saying, essentially, that families with biological children deserve preferential treatment in society over other families, and then when she gets called out on espousing such an ugly idea, say for instance by the "white liberal radio host" in Maine, she's just so shocked.

"I've...I've...(sniff)...come to accept that our society is in a place where my euphemistically worded discrimination gets labeled bigotry."

It's like punching some one in the face with a bouquet of flowers and turning their angry response back at them.

"But they're roses! Do you hate flowers? Why do you persecute my green thumb?"

Posted by: Christopher Eberz | Feb 17, 2010 3:43:37 PM

I couldnt watch- did Maggoty sigh dramatically, as only a Christian martyr can do?

Posted by: homer | Feb 17, 2010 8:34:43 PM

Yes, I know sullivan well....he only quit supporting Bush when Bush became unpopular. He supported him during the run-up to war. Look it up. If I am wrong, provide me the links.

Posted by: Tom P | Feb 17, 2010 9:23:08 PM

One Catholic bully debates another.

Whatever.

If there were a hell, there would be a special place in it for gay men like Sully who oppose abortion rights.

Worthless meets even more worthless.

Posted by: Landon Bryce | Feb 18, 2010 1:58:32 AM

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