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I count only 1584 figures in your sample, not 3024.
There are 18 figures per group and four groups across. That's 72 figures across. There are 22 rows down so 72 times 22 equals 1584.
The sample would have to be twice as big to show 3000.

Oops, I had uploaded the wrong one. Fixed now.

You are a great example of how the liberal bias media works. Amazingly you were there taking pictures, yet you lack the intelligence to discuss the issues at hand or reveil all the facts.

Did you forget to mentionthat over 500 thousand signatures have been gathered in support of this rally across NJ. Theses are "family " people with children to care for, who work and pay bills and pay taxes.

These Taxes are filtered to the same hate groups that are promoting the destruction of the family unit through the (Misused and mislabled violence against women's Act, the new and improved hate crimes Bill (which serves to divide people)and all the billions of dollars that filters to mis appropreated social services programs that do not serve the people but only serves to fill the coffers of special interest groups.

Since you are so good at counting and estimation , why not start counting all the State and Federal tax (our money) dollars that are waisted on unproductive programs?

Tracy Ribito: Actually, we were not there taking pics. These are based only on the pics provided by the NJ Family Policy Council. And all we actually said is that we have great doubts, based on the pics, that there were 3,00 people in attendance.

As for the "500 thousand signatures" -- this is the first we've heard about them. We've love to hear more if you can provide a link.

As for your suppositions about these "hate groups" -- the only issue at hand in this post is this marriage rally and the fight for marriage equality in the Garden State. Such is not an "unproductive program."

But thank you for callously attacking our intelligence for no apparent reason. It makes your side look quite nice and "moral."

**Oh, and also please provide a real email address next time, or none at all. We tried to write and ask you for more info.

Dear GAY:
Marriage equality is not an issue in this State or throughout this entire counrty. Any couple male and female have the right to get married, if that is their choice.

If you are homosexual or lesbian and choose to further that relationship via a civil union that is your choice.

If you choose not to ( as most all all Gays Profess) and have a relationship without a civil union, then that is their choice. Conversely, there are many heterosexual people who choose not to marry and still have children and that is their choice.

Point being, because people do not believe in the homosexual /lesbian lifestyle does not mean they hate or are against gay people.

Because people do not believe in heterosexual people living together and having children does not mean they hate or are against them either.

Because people do not believe in teaching and promoting the Gay /Lesbian lifestyle to their children, does not mean they hate Gay people.

Marriage between man and women is by design established to propagate the family unit, thus providing an environment to raise children with their biological parents into adulthood.

Most Americans are not interested in what you as a gay person may or may not practice in your bedroom, that is your business, not mine. Yes , it is your right to do as you choose.

Maybe you need to start respecting the rights of others who do not choose that lifestyle and raise their children the way they choose, quite frankly it is none of your business.

The first thing that would happen if "Gay Marrige" were passed is that advocates like the Garden State Equlity group and the like would be pounding at the doors of our legislatures demanding (our tax dollars)continued and expanding funding to educate our children in our schools and promote the Gay/Lesbian lifestyle.

Now this may be difficult for you but for a moment pretend you are a parent and wishing to protect the interest of your children and raise the children as you choose and someone steps in and begins to override your choices?

Choices in how you raise them religiously (or not), how you instruct them on relationships and marriage (or not). Maybe even instructing them on beastiality and poligamy or not)

You may be a tad upset over that, just as if the pro family and pro marriage community demanded federal and State dollars to go into the Gay population and communities and promote heterosexuality. And want to do it with your tax dollars!

Maybe I am overstepping in my assumption here, but I believe you may be upset over that and tell anyone attempting to override your desire to be Gay to go pound the pavement and get away from you.

How is this one for you...Lets look at the new "Hate crimes Bill". There is an attempt to incluce gay, lesbian and transexuals as a new "VICTIM" class of people where special laws are needed so they can sue any person who does not believe in the Gay lifestyle. Lets add heterosexuals to that group also, so now I can sue you for not believing, disrupting or speaking out against heterosexual lifestyle. This bill also includes billions in funding so our lovely prosecutors can prosecute against anyone who does not believe in the Gay , lesbian, transgender lifestyle. But since we want equality we need to add heterosexuals to the victim class.

Ya see , so now we can all sue each other for the personal belief's we may or may not have. Thats my friend is equality.

So why not put the issue of Gay Marriage on the ballot and end the discussion. Let the people choose.

1) Stop with the "gays can get married just not to each other" nonsense. That argument will always be absurd no matter how many times your side repeats it.

2) No, not everyone can get a civil union. Civil unions are only an option in a select few states. And even when they are an option, they are not equality. We refuse to take alternate courses to have our relationships recognized.

3) Never once have we stated that if you "do not believe in the homosexual /lesbian lifestyle" that you hate gay people. We view it as much more complicated than that. You are arguing against a point we have not made on here.

4) Gays have families as well. Marriage equality would encourage stability for ALL families. If family stability is truly the goal, then gay marriage opponents should actually be encouraging same-sex marriage.

5) Nobody is asking you to be interested in gay private lives. And nobody is asking anyone to raise their children in a specific way. We are simply asking that in all matters of public interest, ALL citizens are respected and tolerated. Not fully accepted, mind you. While we would LIKE that, if you want to raise your children to think gays "choose" a dangerous lifestyle, then have a field day. But our government should not and will not eventually use those faith-based beliefs to keep equality at bay.

6) As for your predictions regarding GSE lobbying for school tolerance -- well, that's going to be happening even without gay marriage. But the idea that we are trying to promote the so-called "gay lifestyle" is a load of horse dung that your side uses to justify discrimination. What we are seeking is an end to the gay bias that has plagued this nation and its schools for far too long. We want EVERYONE to be respected for who they are.

7) It's offensive for you to say "Now this may be difficult for you but for a moment pretend you are a parent and wishing to protect the interest of your children and raise the children as you choose and someone steps in and begins to override your choices." Gay people ARE parents. Gay people are uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, etc. We are PART of the family, and we want what is best for the same. Which is exactly why we want our identities respected as part of that family structure. Again, if you make the choice to teach them that "gay is against God" or that gay marriage is wrong -- so be it. But you will not, for much longer, be able to teach them that gays and gay marriage do not exist. One has existed for centuries, and the other will exist for centuries still to come.

8) Cut out the "bestiality and polygamy" nonsense. There may be ones who want such, but they have nothing to do with gay rights.

9) The government DOES promote heterosexuality already! The heterosexist paradigm has fueled this nation for eons. Marriage inequality, the kind you are seeking, IS the government telling OUR FAMILIES that we are second-rate!!

10) We've written much about hate crimes, and you are more than welcome to read it. But gays are not seeking anything special; we are asking for gay bias crimes (which are very much a problem) to be targeted in the ways that other crimes already are (including those based on religion). They are not to "sue any person who does not believe in the Gay lifestyle," despite what the right wig talking points would have you believe. You say, "Lets add heterosexuals to that group also, so now I can sue you for not believing, disrupting or speaking out against heterosexual lifestyle." Well, if you were to specifically targeted for a violent crime because the perp wanted to send a message to evangelical Christians everywhere (I'm just assuming you;re an evangelical), then you WOULD have a case already!! No, heterosexuals are not a protected class in and of themselves. They are not a group who has been routinely targeted in bias attacks!! But among the other groups who are realistically targeted, gays are the ones who are left most vulnerable at this time.

11) We don;t want the question of marriage equality on any ballot, because we are sick of our basic equality being left to majority opinion. The rights of minorities have often suffered under the tyranny of majority rule.

It is apparent that the Gay activist movement wants to be recognized as some second class citizen and victims.

One person may be tall or short or heterosexual or gay or fat or skinny ....Should we have special victim class or special rights for all different types of people???

Why do you insist on putting your issues on to others.

Thats in your mind, those are your personal issues. You further state "we" as if you represent all Gay people. I know many gay people and they are not interested in being married or being recognzed as married. So who or what majority do you represent??

Most people who are gay just go about their business, bother no one and no one bothers them.

Why do you insist on coming into the lives of others and pushing your aganda onto them and their children???

You are choosing to be a victim that you are not and in doing so are attempting to trample on the rights of others. Namely family people with children that may hold values that do not promote and encourage gay/lesbian relationships.

Again I do not attempt to tell you how to live.

Regarding the Hate crimes Bill: Why don't you want equality there , so My sexual orientation rights can be protected as well. There are many hate crimes against heterosexuals (Just look at the crime rates across the country and check the sexual preference status of the victim). You can be assured that heterosexuals have millions of more crimes perpetrated against them then do homosexuals, yet you believe that homosexuals need to be considered a special class of victim.

The current hate crime bill covers all people , no matter what your sexual orientation may be, So why should you have any more rights then a heterosexual person. Especially when heterosexual people are the target of more hate crimes??

In fact what needs to be put into the hate crime bill is a special victim class of "All heterosexuals". and ezclude gay people.

Imagine if we did that then all the Gays would feel targeted as perpetrating crimes against heterosexuals!!

Well I feel the same way when i read that Gay activist want to include a special "gay victim" status in the hate crimes bill. It implies that I, as a heterosexual have committed crimes against gays (which I certainly have not)and special laws are set up to prevent me from doing so. I resent being implied as a perpetrator of a potential crime against anyone based on my sexual preference in the bedroom!

Your referance to Christianity is not comparing apples to apples. You Identify yourself as gay because that is what you choose to do.

You identify youself as a gay victim because that is what you choose to do and in doing so create resentment by the heterosexual community because you are accusing them of crimes they have never committed just by the very nature of being heterosexual.

Shall we delve into the Violence against womens Act?

We shall delve into nothing else with you in this forum, T Ribito. Clearly doing so would be about as productive as screaming at a brick wall.

But feel free to get whatever you'd like to get off your chest. I do, however, wish you would use either a real email address or none at all. I just don't understand why you are using one that AOL says is nonexistent.

Interesting???

You hold no opinion on the feelings of others, yet you expect the world to cow tow to your claimed victim status?

The pattern is clear to most all tax paying Americians. No longer will there be tollerace for groups who self proclaimed victims and then use our tax dollars against the populas to achieve their agenda which is destructive to the family unit.

The gig is up and the hand has been played too many times,

Yes, you have met the brick wall sir and this wall doesnt move.

Hmm...we don't expect the world to tow a cow anywhere. In fact, we at G-A-Y don't really eat much red meat. If, however, you mean kowtow -- then no, we aren't asking for that either. Only peace. Only non-polarization. Only respect. Only equality.

Good luck with that whole non-moving wall thing.

This is a result of the typical self proclaimed victim status of battered women coalitions and the like. Once Federal Funding entered the picture it became a game of starting a propaganda machine to exaserbate the domestic violence claims in order to receive continued and expanded funding. Today it has become an industry in itself which feeds on the family unit. Destroying everything in its path in order to justify the cause.

January 29, 2007
Contact: Mark Rosenthal, 781-956-1034,
One Million False Allegations of Domestic Violence Each Year, Report Finds
WASHINGTON, Jan. 29 / U.S. Newswire / – Over one million false allegations of domestic violence are filed each year. These allegations often result in family break-up and the removal of children from their parents, according to a report released today.

"A Culture of False Allegations: How VAWA Harms Families and Children" documents how the Violence Against Women Act defines "domestic violence" in broad terms. That has given rise to one million claims of domestic "violence" each year in which physical violence is not even alleged.

Elaine Epstein, former president of the Massachusetts Bar Association, is on the record as saying, "Everyone knows that restraining orders and orders to vacate are granted to virtually all who apply ... In many cases, allegations of abuse are now used for tactical advantage."

An example of the problem is Dan Iagatta of Foxboro, Mass. A quadriplegic dad who is confined to a wheelchair, he was accused of domestic abuse by his wife and recently ordered to vacate his home.

"False allegations of domestic violence have become so widespread that lawyers now call them a legal 'slam-dunk,'" notes RADAR spokesman Ron Grignol. "Some are saying we should pass a David Letterman Protection Act to curb the problem."

TV talk-show host Letterman was formally charged with domestic violence after a New Mexico woman accused him of harassing her with mental telepathic messages.

Restraining orders are now seen as part of the "gamesmanship of divorce," according to a 2005 article in the Illinois Bar Journal. The RADAR report documents how these false allegations violate civil rights and harm families. As a result, children often lose daily contact with one of their parents.

The report was issued by RADAR (Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting), a research and education organization. The report can be viewed at http://www.mediaradar.org/docs/VAWA-A-Culture-of-False-Allegations.pdf.

The document reveals that children who grow up in a single-parent home are greater risk of child abuse, academic failure, and a broad range of social pathologies. The report concludes that VAWA needs to be reformed to become family-friendly.

R.A.D.A.R. – Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting – is a non-profit, non-partisan organization of men and women working to improve the effectiveness of our nation's approach to solving domestic violence. http://www.mediaradar.org.