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03/03/2008

They eschew actual science for ass-pulled logic, yet we're the SAD ones?

by Jeremy Hooper

Picture 6-116Just when you think anti-gay activist Peter LaBarbera can't top himself (no reference to Pete's lack of flexibility intended), he goes and does something else. His latest instance of callous disregard for the LGBT community? He has turned his Americans For Truth site over to a man named George Kocan, who has written an extremely one-sided, unscientific piece on why he will not use the words "gay," "lesbian," or even "homosexual" to describe same-sex oriented people.

So what's the word Kocan instead chooses to use for homosexuality? SAD (Sodomy Attraction Disorder)! And his chosen word for those who have such attractions within them? SADists! Read more at link:

Genetic Disorders Like S.A.D. Deserve Treatment, Not Acceptance [AFT]

Weird, as we were only SAD until we came out of the closet and started living our truth. But then again, if they went with a name like HAPPY (Homosexual Acceptance Pleases People, YAY!), they wouldn't be able to further trivialize our existences by using a deft play on words that likens our orientation to a certain behavior in which pain is derived from pleasure.

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I know getting old is a part of life and everything, but Babs has totally let himself go (if this pic is recent), and is looking haggardly. Looks like both he AND Randy Thomas are going for the Stay-Puft look this year.

Posted by: Scott | Mar 3, 2008 3:34:10 PM

I read AFT website this morning before reading your post on this and I have to say Mr. Kocan post is one of the most hateful things I've ever read.

I was a bit surprised by your civility in your post. (not to accuse you of not being civil)

You know I can defend a religious person's right to express there opposition to homosexuality.

I can even support the notion of ex-gays.

But this post by Mr. Kocan has enraged me beyond belief -I'm so sick of people who don't even know any gay people making such ignorant and hateful assumptions about my life and the countless lives of other GLBT people.

Mr. Kocan post is truly sicken!

Posted by: Alonzo | Mar 3, 2008 6:52:43 PM

This is a great development. AFT will lose credibility even from most conservatives with this semantic silliness about "S.A.D." and "SADists" and what not. At least LaBarbera can portray some image of sanity, Kocan looks like he might have a harder time with that sort of thing.

Posted by: GayMormonBoy | Mar 4, 2008 12:37:31 AM

Before discussing Peter LaBarbera, I'm sure that some of you read my postings on Box Turtle Bulletin under my ID of notreligiousbutmw, when I posted regarding the Danzig's & the Mormon Church. Jim Burroway & Timothy Kincaid were offended by what I wrote. Jim Burroway became offended when I referred to sex change maimings as mutilations. They are mutilations. A woman's breasts are masetectomied so that she can have a penis put on is mutilation. I wrote that with Gender Dysphoria (GID), what they must do is cure it, not maim the patients & I'm against sex change maimings for the same reason that I'm against a Dr. whitening Blacks or darkening Whites because they have ethnic dysphoria. I also that Tammy Bruce the lesbian talkshow hostess is 1 of the exceptions who is willing to honestly discuss homosexuality & she has decried sex changes saying that a man who wants to become a woman is clueless as to what it means to be 1. Tammy Bruce also has said that she is against GLSEN & PFLAG speaking in schools, because their intent is really to push their views on others & all the talk that they have of tolerance are euphemisms. Keep in mind that when Tammy Bruce worked for KFI in L.A. from 1994-98, she used to regularly have guests such as People for the American Way who push far left views, but Tammy Bruce in the 2000s changed her positions on homosexuality from the point of she is against the proselytizing that homosexual groups do.

I commend Tammy Bruce for changing her views & being honest about this topic. Now I don't agree with Tammy Bruce on everything. I differ with Tammy Bruce on the death penalty from the standpoint of I don't believe that in most cases the death penalty should be used. Yes, people who commit murder must go to prison for many years, but most people who commit murder are ordinary people who lose it in arguments. I believe in mandatory minimum sentences for crimes such as murder. With the death penalty, I don't have a problem with it as an option for those who commit the most depraved murders, but that must be decided by juries & even then, I support long appeal processes where a death row inmate can have their sentence commuted to life without parole if they prove that they have redeeming values. I thought Stanley "Tookie" Williams death sentence should have been commuted to life without parole. Yes, he murdered 3 people in 1979, but given that while in prison he did work to help keep kids out of gangs, his good deeds while being incarcerated should have been enough to spare his life & keep him in prison for the rest of his life. Even for General Hideki Tojo, executed after the Tokyo trials, I would have given him years of appeals & if he could show that he had redeeming value, I would have commuted it to life without parole. I don't empathize with Tojo being executed because his deeds did result in millions being killed & maimed. I am against cruel & unusual punishment, such as I'm against mutilating people convicted of crimes. While I wouldn't feel sorry for a pedophile who gets castrated, I am against castrations, because I'm against mutilations.

I differ with Tammy Bruce on the topic of Hiroshima, Nagasaki & Dresden. Hiroshima & Nagasaki didn't have anything of military importance but were attacked because they were untouched by the war. My belief is that if the U.S. wanted to show Japan the atom bomb's strength, then this could have been done by dropping it on a military base or armaments factories where there would've been fewer civilians killed & wounded such as 1,500 civilians killed & wounded as a result of collateral damage rather than 150,000+ killed in Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Doing a bombing raid on a military base or armaments factory where some civilians are killed & wounded because of collateral damage (human shields) is 1 thing, but I'm against bombing raids where the intent is to kill civilians.

To the main topic of Peter LaBarbera. I've visited the website of Americans for Truth. While I agree with Mr. LaBarbera's views, I have to agree with those who say that he gets too graphic. There's no reason why Peter LaBarbera needs to post graphic photos & I wish that he would stop doing it. Also Peter LaBarbera does discuss Christianity a bit too much. Yes, he has said that there are many non-religious people & atheists who see something wrong with homosexuality. John Biver of Family Taxpayers Network is a non-religous person who agrees with Peter LaBarbera. There's nothing wrong with Peter LaBarbera discussing religion, but it must be incidental.

But with that said, Peter LaBarbera does raise things that most of the mainstream press doesn't. Of those who discuss homosexuality in the press such as on Fox News, almost all of them rerun the same thing. Bill O'Reilly, Martha McCallum of Fox News & most of the guests rerun the same views espoused by Box Turtle Bulletin,etc. Laura Ingraham of Fox News gives a more balanced view by also fairly discussing the views of Patrick J. Buchanan. Incidentally, Laura Ingraham has a homosexual brother, but as noted, Laura Ingraham fairly discusses the views of those who oppose homosexuality & she's an exception in the mainstream press. Generally if you read the mainstream press accounts, most rerun the same things, such as born that way, etc., which I believe are sideissues.

What Peter LaBarbera should say is that how does something being in the genes make it right? Although menopause is genetic, most women don't want to hit it. Women usu. begin menopause @ around 45 years of age & hit it around 50. If a 40 year old woman tells you that she wouldn't want to be 25 years old again, then she is either lying or doesn't know what she's thinking or talking about. Most women want to be 20 years old forever & they want to look like they did when they're 20 years old. Most women want also to be able to give birth to babies until the day that they die. Why do you think Juvederm & Restylane are out there? In fact, most people, both men & women want to look like they did when they're 20 years old. Homosexuality is worse than menopause. That's what Peter LaBarbera should say.

Posted by: missionaryway | Mar 4, 2008 10:34:18 AM

Oh boy, another much-too-long rant from missionaryway!

Posted by: G-A-Y | Mar 4, 2008 10:37:02 AM

You know my long monologues on different subjects incl. this 1. S.A.D. is creative. You know how my writings can offend people, as you saw by the angry replies I got on BTB. But honestly, how often do the websites I mentioned get opposing views? Let me tell you more about another topic where I got people offended.

If you visit crime.about.com forum with the topic If I did it, you know my posts that I agree with the jury's acquittal of OJ Simpson because there were reasonable doubts-he was not acquitted because of the race card myth, he was acquitted because there were many doubts. Either he committed 2nd Degree murder because of provocation by the 2 victims where he lost it & pulled out a sharp instrument such as scissors to do it or if he is innocent, he knows who did it. Whether or not he did it, I believe OJ Simpson's a good father to his kids & I mentioned that OJ Simpson understands the pain of losing a child as he lost a daughter who drowned in a pool when she was 2 in 1979. I also mentioned that in 1983, OJ Simpson was rejected to play the role of the Cyborg for the movie the Terminator, because he was seen as too nice. OJ had his problems with Nicole Brown who had affairs with other men & she was a drug user. No, it doesn't excuse domestic battery, nor does it excuse double murder if indeed he did it as many believe, but it puts comprehension as to why it happened.

But where I offended posters is when I called Fred & Kim Goldman "goldminers" who are 2 evil people + the fact that Fred Goldman despised his son. What offended posters the most was when I wrote that Detective Mark J. Fuhrman should not care about the deaths of Ron Goldman & Nicole Brown Simpson, because Detective Fuhrman is German & Ron Goldman is Jewish (father Fred Goldman is a banker). Yes, Nicole Brown Simpson is 1/2 German, but she also had sex with Jewish men & she & Ron Goldman may have had a romantic relationship. When I wrote that Germans shouldn't care about dead Jews, some people got very offended. It can be said that Detective Fuhrman probably doesn't care about murders when Blacks kill other Blacks-I don't think Detective Fuhrman cries over Tutsis (men, women & children) who were horribly killed & mutilated in Rwanda. Detective Fuhrman should hate Jews & German women who have sex with Jewish men more than he hates Black people, because as noted he is German. The moderator was offended @ my comment on why Det. Fuhrman shouldn't care about dead Jews, because though the moderator isn't German, her ex-husband's German American & her kids are 1/2 German. I was accused of anti-Semitism because of my comments about Jewish bankers. Notably, most of the posters offended @ my writings weren't even German. They got angry @ not only what I wrote about why Detective Fuhrman shouldn't care but they also got angry @ my ? of what do Germans really think about other groups? Have you by any chance read my writings on other topics on other forums? I know that my writing is going beyond the intent of what this is supposed to be about, but if why do you think so many were offended?

Posted by: missionaryway | Mar 4, 2008 2:13:05 PM

Oooooh, can straight people have SAD then?

Or does he ignore heterosexual anal sex/oral sex?

Posted by: IanC | Mar 5, 2008 11:30:24 AM

IanC, actually there are nations where a man & his wife can go to jail for sodomy & oral sex. In fact, there was a time in the U.S., until the 1970s when laws were on the book against this. Also most men & their wives don't engage in oral sex & sodomy. Most married couples only engage in straight normal sex. Yes, there are many straights who engage in it, but keep in mind that for most women, oral sex is kinky & even fewer are willing to engage in sodomy. It's also been my observations that the #s often given of men & women who engage in oral sex is too high. So oral sex & sodomy is taboo even among straights.

Posted by: missionaryway | Mar 6, 2008 7:27:31 PM

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