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06/05/2008
WAAH! Gays are going to push for their rights. WAAH!
As the inevitability of same-sex marriage becomes ever more apparent, our opposition becomes ever more desperate. Which is exactly why in reaction to the news that there will be no "stay" on the California Supreme Court's marriage ruling, the folks at ProtectMarriage.com (the ones behind the push for an anti-gay amendment) are trying to imply that the courts are somehow out-of-line for not bowing to the social conservatives' wishes:
In [not granting the stay], the court chose nationwide legal chaos and demonstrated no concern for the legal turmoil it is about to inflict on the entire country. The actions of this court will make the 2000 Florida presidential recount seem like a high school debate, as couples will now flood into our state, get “married,” and start to file legal challenges to force their radical redefinition of marriage upon the nation. It is hard to believe that the Founding Fathers would have supported the idea of four justices in California re-defining marriage for everyone else.
So wait, by allowing the ruling that they cast because they found it to be within the confines of the law to go forward, the courts will be inflicting "legal chaos" on the nation? Uhm, by what token?! In casting their ruling, the justices looked at the law and accurately determined that banning gays from marriage equality is unjust. In enacting their ruling, they are simply following the logical course instead of bowing to right wing rhetoric. The social conservatives have every right to use the initiative process to try and change the law (even if its un-American, indecent, and cruel). However, they do not have the right to put current legalities in some sort of a holding tank until they've been given a chance to futz with the law!
It's interesting that they compare this situation with the '00 recount. For in both, conservatives are trying to stifle the process because that potential result doesn't fit their goals! But just like those citizens who felt they were robbed of the their votes had a right to stand up and be counted, those citizens who feel their local jurisdiction is robbing them of full citizenship have a right to take their California marriage back to their home and fight to have it recognized. This is not a "radical" concept. The truly radical idea is to try and use tyrannical, faith-based views to deny folks of their legal rights!
Would our Founding Fathers have supported same-sex marriage? Well that's a ridiculous conversation, as you simply cannot put this into the historical context of the times. While our opposition often refuses to admit that the world has changed and that the past was filled with many injustices (at least when its convenient for them), we always understand that turning back to an earlier era for concrete answers is a dangerous idea. But that all being said, the fundamentals of America that were put in place by the Founding Fathers WHOLLY support the idea of citizens fighting for their church-separated civil rights, and of justices casting rulings on the basis of constitutional fact rather than personal bias. In fact, they DEMAND it!
If this situation causes chaos, then the civil marriage system itself is currently discriminatory. If the reasons behind the marriage equality push were wrong, then there would be no debate. That's the reason why these social conservatives are really so scared: because they know that the California decision has pulled the mask off of marriage inequality. They fully realize that our side is with merit, and they are frightened that this is the beginning of the end of their reign of inequity.
And you know what? They're right! However, the ensuing progress is not "chaotic" and its not "turmoil." It is a group of people triumphing over the unnecessary farce that has been the "protect marriage" movement!
CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT IGNORES WILL OF CALIFORNIANS, CHOOSES NATIONWIDE LEGAL CHAOS INSTEAD [Protect Marriage]
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And what to you want to bet that a whole bunch of them in California and elsewhere run busineessses that will reap $$$ from the 'legal chaos.'
Come one come all... SUMMER OF LOVE ahead.
Posted by: LOrion | Jun 5, 2008 12:07:41 PM
You know, it's interesting when they bring up the Founding Fathers. Weren't these the same men who approved of slavery and the subjugation of women? I also wonder what their feelings would be on divorce? Oh, wait they didn't divorce back then, they just had mistresses who the paraded out in public and prostitutes that were allowed to encamp with the militias and army.
Then again, what MOST neo-cons fail to realize is that MOST of the "Founding Fathers" (Including, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Thomas Paine etc.,) did NOT belong to or regularly attend a specific church as they were "Deists" who believed in a God but not organized religions.
You can check here:
http://www.chicora.org/founding_fathers_and_religion.htm
and here:
http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6177
Although I guess I am only preaching to the choir again and those who this is intended for will NEVER believe it anyway...
Posted by: Kevin | Jun 5, 2008 12:23:23 PM
Posted by: Timothy Kincaid | Jun 5, 2008 1:50:19 PM
That's debatable, Kevin. However, most of the Founders were Masons which just about every Christian denomination at one time or another considered to be VERY sinful.
This place must drive some of them nuts:
Posted by: John | Jun 5, 2008 2:28:40 PM
Our "founding fathers" probably wouldn't think much about gay marriage anyway, beings most of them were swishy, feminine, wig and dress wearing queens.
Posted by: Scott | Jun 5, 2008 4:33:35 PM
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