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If they tape in California, I'm pretty sure that agreement would be against the law. Hopefully a nice newly-wedded gay couple will file a suit.

Just to play devil's advocate, it might be the case that the company has no choice but to impose such a rule in order to comply with the federal tax code (deductibility of expenses, etc.), which of course is governed by federal DOMA.

The real question is whether anyone audits the hetero couples to make sure that there are no second cousin weddings, underage weddings, impermissible antenuptial agreements, etc., all of which are illegal in some states. If not, then someone should definitely call shenanigans on them.

(Meanwhile, based on what I know of the Unruh Act, Mark's comment is 100% correct.)

Yea, that's why we're writing them Kip -- to find out the deal. We'll see.

Yes, was going to ask where filmed. Because if in California or New York, it could be illegal.

From what I can gather after reading the entire agreement, it seems to me that taping may be in New York because of this statement:

"(xviii) this agreement shall be deemed to be entered into in New York County, New York, and shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of the State
of New York applicable to agreements executed and performed entirely within the State of New York."

ALTHOUGH - NY, Gov. Paterson recently re-enforced a law which states that the State of NY must recognize and provide benefits for same sex marriages which were legally performed out of state since New York's law recognizes all out of state marriages.

So (IMHO) then as in Mark's case a couple from Massachusetts or California may have grounds to sue if the taping takes place in NY and they are denied to participate as contestants.

Gov. Patterson's order only applies to the Executive branch. Courts still have to operate under the Court of Appeals, which delegated the judiciary's definition of marriage to the State Legislature. So for now at least, there likely wouldn't be grounds for a suit.

I wouldn't read too much into that "New York" language. It looks like a mere choice of law clause for arbitration/litigation purposes, similar to a cruise line contract stipulating (as they usually do) that the contract was "entered into" in Florida and will be governed by Florida law, even if the cruise is from New York to Europe.

If the show were administered/taped in New York, I don't think the Paterson (one t please) executive order would matter, but other anti-discrimination laws might. If it's in California, then that state's Unruh Act (which is wildly expansive) would almost certainly apply.

This site says it's taped in NYC and has already been in production for about a month:

http://singles.meetup.com/232/messages/boards/thread/4683681

If it's taped in New York, then it's probably in legal limbo. A couple married in Massachusetts or California would probably have to sue in order to force the New York courts to examine the issue. That's something that is generally best left to an organization like GLAD (they argued the Massachusetts marriage case) so that they can make sure that the cases which go before the courts are the cases likely to win.

Isn't this like the first time you can use DOMA for your own advantage, or am I completely not understanding how this works?

It's not illegal. They are not the government, they can do what they want with their show.

I'm not so sure it's that cut and dry, Tom. But I do think we're getting a little too bogged down in the legal argument before hearing what the production/casting company has to say. The point for me is that if they are explicitly banning gay couples, it's JUST PLAIN WRONG (whether they can legally get away with it or not).

I want to hear the facts. I'm actually quite frustrated that nobody I have contacted has gotten back to me on this. They could have just nipped this in the bud right away.

My guess is that it was just an oversight that caught the producers by surprise at the end of a busy week just before the show begins airing and also just before most of their staff flees to The Island (Fire) for the weekend. The fine print in the rules and regs was probably the product of lawyers working in another department and never read by the producers. Now they have to scramble to read and determine what the fine print actually says and then formulate a plan of public action. Lawyers, doing what they do, probably tried to make sure that everyone would be compliant with federal tax code. It just so happens that the federal tax code is used to penalize and marginalize folks whose mating behavior does not conform to that which is allowed by certain Christian denominations.

"It's not illegal. They are not the government, they can do what they want with their show."

That really depends on the state, Tom. In California, for example, businesses cannot discriminate against gays and lesbians. Carving a "your marriage must be valid in all 50 states" clause into your contract is pretty clear in terms of excluding gay people, so it would not be legal in California. I don't know the particulars of the laws in New York, but it's not just government agencies which are required to follow the law.

Imagine if the contract had said, "All married couples must be white." Would you still be arguing that since they are not the government, they can do whatever they want with their show? I'm guessing not.

@KipEsquire: 26 USC § 162 does not stand for the proposition that, for a game show to deduct prizes awarded, that the couples must be married.

Legality aside, let's not forget protest as a way to get our point across. A noisy picket line outside a taping in New York City would draw a dozen media outlets in very short order.

Once the show starts airing the question is going to be raised more and more.

Tom: Well we still want to make sure there is something to protest. Hopefully we'll get official word back from producers this week.

This is an outrage! Daytime television is the native artform of gay and lesbian people!

Judy Gold is hosting this. http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/06/25/hosts-announced-for-the-dating-game-and-the-newlywed-game/
http://www.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUSN2539967820080625

I find it hard to believe that she'd host something so blatantly anti-gay. Have you heard back from the network?

Thanks for the reminder, Rebecca:

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/07/well-at-least-o.html