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09/22/2008
'Ex-gay' accuses our friend of untruth, further verifies his own
You may remember that a week ago, we caught a quote from professional "ex-gay" Greg Quinlan that didn't seem to jibe with reality. In it, Quinlan seemingly twisted the work and words of the former director of the Human Genome Project, Dr. Francis Collins, when he quoted Collins as saying with certainy: "homosexuality is not hardwired. There is no gay gene. We mapped the human genome. We now know there is no genetic cause for homosexuality." So we, being aware of some comments that Dr. Collins had once given the ExGayWatch site regarding the way his work has been misused by the "pro-family" community, first wrote a post on what we perceived to be his error, then followed up that post with a message to Quinlan and some of his colleagues at the New Jersey Family Policy Council this message:
Well, we won't bore you with the entire exchange that followed; but here is the meat of the conversation:
(**we will gladly show the email exchange to anyone who tries to dispute its accuracy)
GREG: "The quote is completely accurate and the reference you make is a fraud. Your false reference cannot be independently verified or validated."
G-A-Y: "Wait, are you seriously claiming that Ex-Gay Watch made up Dr. Collins comments?"
GREG: "Yes I am."
G-A-Y: "Wow, that's a pretty big claim you are making about XGW."
GREG: "There is zero evidence outside of XGW's claim that Dr. Francis S. Collins ever spoke to XGW."
G-A-Y: "I must admit I am SHOCKED that you are making these claims about XGW. I have never found them to be anything but forthright (a view supported by folks on both side)."
GREG: "My experience with XGW causes me to label them as a hate group. XGW disseminates propaganda not truth.
Every person has the right of self-determination. Unless you are an Ex-Gay then you do not have that right according to the behavior and actions from XGW. Human beings can chose to do what they want with the information they have regarding how they live their lives. If someone chooses to respond to the feelings of same sex attraction by living as a homosexual they have that right. However their is little tolerance for those like me who once lived as a homosexual and have decided not to live as a homosexual. I have received death threats, hate mail, I have been personally assaulted by homosexuals for being an ex-gay and saying so. XGW is extremely intolerant of my lifestyle choice and my public expression to the human community at large that change is possible. I have made that determination in part because there is no genetic, biological, physiological evidence for homosexuality. Lots and lots of theories but no evidence.
Professional mental health organizations continue to have the quote I used from Dr. Francis Collins on their websites and in their publications. There is nothing about what XGW is saying about Collins, nothing in APA, NARTH, ACA et al literature, nothing. The only place you can find the XGW quote is on ex-gay watch and friends. Can't find it on a press issuance. A quote like that with the ultra pro gay press would be readily available. It does not exist accept at XGW and their friends."
G-A-Y: "Greg: In order to more fully flesh out the claims about XGW, I'm bringing David Roberts from the site into this conversation. I would hope we all can agree that we would like to be working from a place of fact."
So that's exactly what we did -- we brought ExGayWatch into the conversation. Oh, and guess what? They don't take too kindly to being called liars. Especially when their "fraud" was in reaction to Mr. Quinlan's own! Who can blame them?
Here, go check out XGW's response, their "proof" of the earlier Collins quotes, and their ability to obtain YET ANOTHER quote from Collins himself:
Ex-Gay Greg Quinlan Severely Distorts Researcher’s Comments, Accuses XGW of Fraud [XGW]
Update: Noted Geneticist Confirms XGW Correction of Greg Quinlan, NARTH [XGW]
We'll be sure to let you know if and when Mr. Quinlan admits he is wrong. So basically we're saying that you've likely heard the last from us on this.
Your thoughts
GREG: "The quote is completely accurate and the reference you make is a fraud. Your false reference cannot be independently verified or validated."
Kind of like how ex-gay industry "change" cannot be independently verified or validated.
Posted by: Jason D | Sep 22, 2008 10:23:24 AM
Thanks for the above, re. EGW. Left comment, again about the latest, extremely valid Swedish twin study which corroborated that ... at a minimum 35% of male homosexuality is genetic. Has 'teh gene' been found... of course not, because there are many genes that contribute to sexual orientation, and many other epigenetic factors ...which according to this study comprise another 64% of male homosexuality...psychological factors only contributing to 1% !!!
So although ex-gays want to fight 99% of their heritage and cling to the 1%, (so their Mommies won't be mad at them?), those who do not are truly following their destined and innate paths.
Keep up the good work Jeremy.
Posted by: lOrion | Sep 22, 2008 11:20:54 AM
OOPS... here is twin study link again.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080628205430.htm
Posted by: LOrion | Sep 22, 2008 11:21:32 AM
Oh really? Let's dissect this faggot.....
"Every person has the right of self-determination. Unless you are an Ex-Gay then you do not have that right according to the behavior and actions from XGW."
The "ex-gays" playing the victim. In fact, it's the "ex-gays" like Quinland who makes a living trying to strip that so-called self-determination from gay people and couples. The "ex-gays" believe gay people don't have that right "because the bible says so".
"Human beings can chose to do what they want with the information they have regarding how they live their lives. If someone chooses to respond to the feelings of same sex attraction by living as a homosexual they have that right."
Another lie. According to Quinland and other "ex-gays", the only right (or option) gays have, is to enter Exodus International and "ex-gay therapy" - because lazy candyasses like Quinland, Alan Chambers and Randy Thomas needs somebody to pay their bills.
"However their is little tolerance for those like me who once lived as a homosexual and have decided not to live as a homosexual."
As if there's much tolerance for homosexuals, period. What makes Quinland special, other than being "special" like Corky from 'Life Goes On'?
"I have received death threats, hate mail, I have been personally assaulted by homosexuals for being an ex-gay and saying so."
Again, what makes Quinland so special? Homosexuals have been receiving death threats and hate mail since the beginning of time. As for being assaulted, gay people are attacked all the time - including heterosexual men who get pegged by raging closet cases.
Besides, most of these "assaults" are made up only in the minds of Quinland and kooks like Regina Griggs. If such attacks are real, where's the police reports? And please don't show us no phony police reports, which I wouldn't put past Quinland.
"XGW is extremely intolerant of my lifestyle choice and my public expression to the human community at large that change is possible."
"Ex-gay" folks like Quinland are extremely intolerant of openly gay people - so much that they want homosexuals deleted from the human community at large. It's bad enough that homosexuals were persecuted during the holocaust, but the "ex-gays" want to see it again, by trying to tie the gay people of today of being behind that same holocaust.
http://exodus.to/content/view/173/56/
And remember, when Quinland gets all worked up about homosex, he publicly screeches about dicks until he makes himself hoarse.
Posted by: Scott | Sep 22, 2008 12:42:35 PM
Scott: Calling him a "faggot" is uncalled for.
Please temper your hostility a bit. More than a few people have mentioned it to me.
Posted by: G-A-Y | Sep 22, 2008 12:59:32 PM
I'll TRY to be good ;) LOL I don't use the word much, anyway.
Out of curiosity though - do these same people get equally ticked when Kathy Griffin, Margaret Cho and other non-gay comedians use the word?
Posted by: Scott | Sep 22, 2008 1:54:22 PM
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