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No on Prop: Do you give them props or no?

by Jeremy Hooper

Picture 12-74We have some beef with the "No on 8" campaign. To name just one small-ish yet personal grievance: We don't think they made use of the internet in the best way possible. There were some of us in the Net realm who were pouring over every little detail of both the "yes" and "no" campaigns, smacking down the untruths early and often. Some of the most powerful, reasoned, and measured commentary of our gay lives in the online universe, and we feel that the "no" folks could have made much better use of our community's bloggy voices. We, in the early months, reached out to a couple of members with the organized movement and made our thoughts known, receiving what seemed like a positive response. Then, however, we got a dropped ball.

Well tonight we will all have a chance to air our views, as the "no on 8" crew is holding a virtual town hall in which supporters and detractors alike can submit questions to be answered:

Prop. 8: The Facts and Future [LA gay & lesbian center]

But speaking to our first point: Wouldn't online outreaches like a virtual town hall have been nice when our community could've collaborated and brainstormed ways to stop this day from ever arriving?! Just throwin' it out there.

**UPDATE 9PM EST/6PM PST: Oh, and also to our points about technology: The virtual town hall, it turns out, is completely shut out to Mac users. Unbelievable!

**SEE ALSO: Queerty has lots of questions about the Town Hall and its legitimacy:

No on 8 Leaders Scramble to Save Face Amidst Revelations of Month-Long Vacations, Minority Leaders Ignored and Incompetence [Queerty]

**SEE ALSO: Andy Towle has a nice roundup of some of the latest Prop 8 developments:

Marriage Equality Updates: California, Mormons, Activism, Prop 8 [Towle]

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Your thoughts

Well this could be interesting... A month long VACATION?? No outreach whatsoever?? I knew I didn't see any NO on 8 Campaign at all here in No California,but this is SICK?? They've got some splainin' to do.
And this is just pitiful....but then people have compained for years how lily white and gay HRC is...we better see some diversity there soon too.

"In addition LGBT leaders from the black & latino community are hopping mad they were never included in the No on 8 campaign. Jeffrey King, executive director of In The Meantime Men’s Group, a South Los Angeles outreach organization for gay black men told the LA Weekly:
“We told them what should be done. We told them what they shouldn’t do — and they did what they wanted to do. This clearly is not the time to call black folks out and say we were to blame. There was not enough outreach. Period.”
Richard Zaldivar, former City Council Aide, director The Wall Las Memorias Project, who successfully led a grassroots effort to build the first publicly funded AIDS Memorial in East Los Angeles was told by No on 8 staffers that the Latino vote “wasn’t a priority.”

See ya.

Posted by: LOrion | Nov 25, 2008 4:28:44 PM

....and as for not using the blogosphere...Well, I guess they just didn't have one intelligent geek on their campaign. Way too many suits! Lawyers!!!AAAAAGGGHH.. sometimes I think they drive reality connections and common sense out of them in law school.

Posted by: LOrion | Nov 25, 2008 4:31:08 PM

One more: This from a QUEERTY commentor:
I have been trying to shout about these issues in comment sections in places like Towleroad since September. I was told that they had used focused groups to figure out their campaign, and therefore, that my concerns were off base.
I knew they were not off base because I had seen this kind of campaign before. It was called the Kerry campaign.
Even the vacation gels with the mess that was Kerry's strategy in 2004. Actually, even the focus groups did as well since it was customary for Dems to listen to paid consultants over allowing a bottom up centralized campaign.

Too Too Close to reality.

Posted by: LOrion | Nov 25, 2008 4:37:43 PM

It appears Mac users are not welcome at this dog and pony.

The town hall meeting requires Windows console version of Live Meeting. Mac users are advised to use the web client version, but a pop-up message appears and says “This meeting uses computer audio (VoIP). Computer audio is not available with this console, which is web-based. To get computer audio, please install the Microsoft Office Live Meeting client.”

Switching to Firefox on the Mac brings up this message: “Live Meeting Web Access does not support your current Internet browser on this platform. Please try using a supported browser.”

Posted by: Mike Tidmus | Nov 25, 2008 8:44:36 PM

I know there was a substantial gay presence in the Obama campaign. Can we PLEASE PLEASE get them to work for us?

Posted by: Walt | Nov 25, 2008 9:01:35 PM

Mike: I am seriously perturbed right now. Not one person stopped and asked, "Hey, does this thing work for Mac users?"

Posted by: G-A-Y | Nov 25, 2008 9:11:11 PM

ANOTHER Very Unhappy MAC User... Why didn't they use the one good bloggers use. We can ALL get on it. Well hope your discussions are relevant without intelligent MAC users. lol

Posted by: LOrion | Nov 25, 2008 9:34:50 PM

MIKE T. I hadn't tried Firefox yet..it had worked for me on the Obama Convention speech one. ...and I do have Parllels and XP, but I wasn't about to get into that for people who were so MAC intolerant already.

K, JH we want notes!

Posted by: LOrion | Nov 25, 2008 10:30:09 PM

It was doubly frustrating because there are so many Mac users in our community and so many of us used our Macs to do No-on-8's PR work and to fight for this righteous cause.

The party line was simple: Trust us. We know what's best for you. Give us more money.

Posted by: Mike Tidmus | Nov 25, 2008 11:02:26 PM

I dug for an email and found one to the communications person at LAGLC...Jim Key.
Here is his nice, prompt response:

I'm as frustrated as you are - I actually consulted with a number of tech consultants and none were aware of a service that could webcast a conf. call with 8 participants and offer chat capabilities for participants. I certainly didn't want to do the meeting via text.

Someone finally referred me to Live Meeting, but the rep there didn't tell me me until hours before the meeting that participants would have to download software and never mentioned the Mac compatibility problems. Of course, we wanted to have as many participants as possible and at home, I am a mac user - I know how frustrated I would be.

We will, however, have a link to the recording very soon - as soon as it's available, I'll send it to you.

My apologies -

Posted by: LOrion | Nov 26, 2008 12:22:33 AM

I feel for you on the whole Mac users being shut out thing. I'm a lifelong one--considering my family, you might argue that I was born that way. ; ) It should be unacceptable, now that there is such a large installed base.

I could go on, but I'd be off topic. And rather dull. It's just a subject that's always drawn my (I'll admit, rather silly) ire. But with 40% of incoming college students buying Macs, things'll start to get better on that relatively minor and technological front. So once more, the young generation is going to shift the population and bring about positive change.

Posted by: PSUdain | Nov 26, 2008 3:46:42 AM

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