Good As You

Looks like we really don't get the need to come together. Obama has a terrible job to do And he'll need wide public support to do it. For me, having a black man fix the national mess will be a huge moral victory for liberalism. If he succeeds, I'll dance in the streets. I intend to do anything I can to help him, and I don't have time for identity politics just now.
Going for marraige instead of domestic partnership was a strategic mistake anyway. But I forget. Our great self righteousness excuses us from having to think strategically.
I can't help myself. It's a habit of the years.
We should argue with Warren himself. Boycott the 8 sponsers. And leave Obama alone. He's our friend, just as the Clintons were. They can't give us everything we want because of the many people who are not our freinds. They made the best deal they could on dodt and went to the mat for healthcare. That's called having priorities in order.
And there are issues more important than bouquet throwing. I want the economy fixed, national healthcare (especially considering my community's need for medical care), green energy, clean transit, and fair housing and employment in the private sector. For all that, I'm willing to take this insult like an adult and move on.

"I want the economy fixed, national healthcare (especially considering my community's need for medical care), green energy, clean transit, and fair housing and employment in the private sector. For all that, I'm willing to take this insult like an adult and move on."

WillBFair: This not an either/or situation. We can speak out about Warren without losing sight of long-term goals. And it's not childish to defend your existence against the pervasive stain that is bigotry.

I will continue to do whatever I can to support Obama and the democrats, but when they do something stupid like this, I won't hold back. Refusal to criticize our leaders is what got us into the current mess.

I shouldn't have implied that anyone is being childish. But I think getting all smarfy about a public insult is bad pr.
This is an old argument for me. And I had forgotten how far out of the gay mainstream my views are. I was yelled out of discussion groups 30 years ago from Stanford to Berkeley to SF State for begging them to cool the promiscuity until we knew more. I dropped out of queer politics and watched the movement go to town over a ton of secondary issues, from blaming Reagan for AIDS, to dodt, to the rest of the Clintons' political manuevers.
I loved watching the Clintons dodge and weave. Far from criticizing Obama for doing the same, I say go daddy. Make me a sweater.
But I can see that my words here are inflamatory, and I should probably go elsewhere. Thanks anyway for the polite replies.

Will,

You know as well as I do that your words are not imflamatory. We can see that by the lack of reaction they received. Jeremy did give a polite reply though.

I gotta tell you though (and I hope that I'm not being rude by saying this) that spiel you gave about Stanford and Berkeley and promiscuity and "gays unfairly blaming gays for AIDS" is something I read on another blog by another poster. I would sincerely hope that your motives are sincere and you are not committing the act of plagiarizing for the sake of flaming.

Again I apologize if I am making incorrect assumptions but I just thought I should mention that.

No,no...what we can get into is the RICH op ed--- where he says:

Bestowing this honor on Warren was a conscious — and glib — decision by Obama to spend political capital. It was made with the certitude that a leader with a mandate can do no wrong.
Unlike Bush, Obama has been the vocal advocate of gay civil rights he claims to be. It is over the top to assert, as a gay writer at Time did, that the president-elect is “a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot.” Much more to the point is the astute criticism leveled by the gay Democratic congressman Barney Frank, who, in dissenting from the Warren choice, said of Obama, “I think he overestimates his ability to get people to put aside fundamental differences.”

...but he does pursue the good news as in:
the dawning realization that the old religious right is crumbling — in part because Warren’s new generation of leaders departs from the Falwell-Robertson brand of zealots who have had a stranglehold on the G.O.P. It’s a sign of the old establishment’s panic that the Rev. Richard Cizik, known for his leadership in addressing global warming, was pushed out of his executive post at the National Association of Evangelicals this month. Cizik’s sin was to tell Terry Gross of NPR that he was starting to shift in favor of civil unions for gay couples.
Cizik’s ouster won’t halt the new wave he represents. As he also told Gross, young evangelicals care less and less about the old wedge issues and aren’t as likely to base their votes on them. On gay rights in particular, polls show that young evangelicals are moving in Cizik’s (and the country’s) direction and away from what John McCain once rightly called “the agents of intolerance.” It’s not a coincidence that Dobson’s Focus on the Family, which spent more than $500,000 promoting Proposition 8, has now had to lay off 20 percent of its work force in Colorado Springs.
and finally
... it’s also time “for President-elect Obama to start acting on the promises he made to the LGBT community during his campaign so that he doesn’t go down in history as another Bill Clinton, a sweet-talking swindler who would throw us under the bus for the sake of political expediency.” And “for LGBT folks to choose their battles wisely, to judge Obama on the content of his policy-making, not on the character of his ministers.”

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I mentioned the discussion group disasters on another blog, so maybe that's what you saw. The incident is also on my blog.
What is flaming? It used to be a good thing, but maybe there's a new meaning I haven't heard.
Thanks for the encouraging words. Maybe I'm too sensitive, but the GAY Admins have disagreed with me two or three times, and it took me back thirty years. Unknown to me at the time, I was saying the same things as Larry Kramer, and he also got spanked by the mainstream.

Let's not get overstressed by an inaugural speaker who will be there for a few minutes one day and be gone the next. Instead we need to focus on those who depend on our votes, their staffs and appointees, those who hold our future in their hands.

Bill: As I've said many times during this Warren fiasco: We can do both. Just because we are concerned with this matter doesn't mean we are losing sight of the million and one other things we hope to achieve.

Amen, JH, Yes we can.