Good As You

Not all Christians are like this. My Christian values have made me accept everyone who does not harm me or my loved ones. In Liberal Christian beliefs some of us look on this as the evil in people pretending to be righteousness. Sadly, it confuses way to many people. I understand though that it seems like this is the only face of Christianity to some. These people are SOO DAMN LOUD!!! As a Lutheran I was raised to be quiet "Live your faith" my dad tells me. I have started to be louder lately because I am tired of idiots like this giving me a bad name.

Wow. I'd be shocked if I hadn't heard this whale shit a million times already.

Piper: Of course not all Christians are like this, and we would hope everyone here has an understanding of that. The problem is that the ones, like Sally, who preach their "values" the loudest are so often the ones who need schooling on the meaning of the term.

I say, "rise up and speak out!"

It's always interesting to read things like these, especially when you consider that these are the same people who keep trying to say they're the one's being persecuted and forced out of the public sector.

Hey, Piper! Liberal Lutherans unite!

I agree with each of you, G-A-Y & Piper, a little bit. I think it's worthwhile to continue to note and speak out as affirming and open Christian groups. We need to get out there and educate our brothers and sisters as to why the gay-hatin' just can't continue, why it's counter-productive and counter to our values.

I'm working with a few other folks to try and get some dialogue going here at my university among groups at our multifaith spiritual center (where the religious groups all meet and have our offices). It's that kind of personal conversation (instead of argument in the abstract) that can help to chip away at attitudes, or at least form the first cracks.

And while, G-A-Y, I do think that most, if not all, here know that and recognize it, there are often times when the rhetoric gets very down on any and all religion. We don't much care for it when people group us all into a homogenous lump.

Now, I don't think the commenters actually think that all Christians or religious folk are like this, but I also think sometimes we, as human beings (myself included), can get carried away into rhetorical excess. As frequent victims of just that we should be very reluctant to do it to others. (Not saying this happened here--it didn't. Just that I see a comment or two to that effect on other posts sometimes.)

abandon all religion.

Thank you Sally Kern for making Oklahomans look stupid. Like we don't need any more good press, we got tornadoes, bridge collapses, methamphetamine, McCain voters, Tim McVeigh and the Murrah Bombing, Republican legislators that won't pay their taxes, Jim Inhofe, Frank Lucas, Prayin' Ernie Istook.

Just shut the hell up Sally and Husband.

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I don't think that you think that all Christians are like that, and I am starting to be louder, mostly at home, up here it's not as difficult, as more people in Washington agree with me compared with Texans.

I'm only 23, my mom is in her 60's and is finally starting to yell a bit about these things! You should see her, I am so proud. This is a woman who volunteered with my dad at an AIDS hospice in Houston during the 80's {The entire church were volunteering there, as one of my godfathers died in that hospice} and during this time tried to undo the negative effects that the conservative church had one her friends when they repeatedly tried to commit suicide because they were gay, she has finally had enough and is starting to yell back at the people that ahve done this to her friends and family, While I wish she had started earlier, I am so proud she is doing it at all

PSUdain, are you a University student or faculty? I'm up at PLU as a fifth year senior.

I love seeing other liberal Lutherans, it makes my heart smile!

We are so used to these theofascists spouting...but the point of the article that worried me was 1) That HORRIFIC pictures of OCity Mayor Mick Cornett!! He looks so much like Hubbard it is scary (without the hair though).
2) That they are trying to load the LIBRARY Board so they can throw out all the books they don't like!
Cornett and Steve Kern, pastor of the Olivet Baptist Church and husband to State Rep. Sally Kern, are being accused of teaming up to rid the library system of all gay and lesbian materials, as well as those their church-based philosophies find objectionable. A source close to Cornett alleges, “The Mayor is looking to become Oklahoma’s next governor in 2010. With the conservatism rampant in the state, he feels now is the time to fully side with fundamentalist Christians in order to get their backing. He believes one way of doing that is going on an all-out assault on gay citizens. Even if things are done that would later be overturned in court at a great cost to the City, he will walk away a hero to certain people.”
But they do note that ISTOOK is returning from the Heritage Foundation to run for GOV agains (He lost in 2006 33% to 66% to current Gove.!) ...and that Istook has the 'conservative base' locked up so Cornett has to get the fringies!
So glad I don't live in OK, I know a few of the PHB commentors do..and it is scary!

As good an example of why religion is evil that I know of. Ignorance combined with intolerance.