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08/11/2009
This writer hasn't had sex since last night. Look, I've 'changed'!
When it comes to spinning, the "ex-gay" world makes tops stop enjoying bottoms green with envy!
Like check out this latest "study," wherein the researchers and their allies at Baptist Press try to make it sound as if their numbers hold majority support:
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--In findings that directly contradict mainstream academic thought, 53 percent of subjects in a new seven-year study reported successfully leaving homosexuality and living happily as heterosexual or celibate persons.
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Among their findings:
-- 23 percent reported a successful conversion to heterosexual attractions.
-- 30 percent reported living a celibate life and were content with their reduction in homosexual attractions. Altogether, those latter two categories were combined for a 53 percent success rate, the researchers said.
-- 16 percent of subjects had modest decreases in homosexual attractions and weren't satisfied with their degree of change but were committed to continuing the process.
-- 7 percent had seen no decrease in homosexual attractions but had not given up trying to change.
-- 25 percent of subjects were considered "failures," either because they gave up on the process and once again identified as a homosexual (20 percent) or because they had not yet embraced a homosexual identity but nevertheless had given up (5 percent).
Study: Ex-gay ministry has 53 percent success rate [Baptist Press]
Now, those of us who follow "ex-gay" research know that every one of their "studies" contain flaw after flaw if you dig deep enough. But in this instance, you don't even have to do that. One can just look at the absurdity of the claims on their face!
They say that 53% "successfully left" homosexuality. But the vast majority of that percentage, a whopping 30%, full-well admit that they have simply chosen celibacy! You know, the exact same choice that anyone of any orientation could make, if they decided that orgasms aren't all they're cracked up to be. It may be sex-deprival, but it aint "change"!
Then look at the failure rate. 48% either completely or partially succeeded in resisting the "ex-gay" nonsense. This is by the researchers' own admittance! So even without vetting this study with a microscope, one can plainly see that it it really only a 23% "change" rate that they are claiming, with a much greater reported failure tally. This is what they consider to be positive PR?!?!
Look, we know the "former 'mo" community is all kinds of bothered by the recent APA report that essentially repudiated their lives' work. But spinning a minority, completely anecdotal "conversion" rate into some sort of "gays can change" majority?! Somehow we think a true majority of America's "ex-bullsh*t" community will call shenanigans on these sorts of blatantly opportunistic snowjobs.
Your thoughts
I have a new 100% successful method of making ex-Southern Baptists. I realize that previous methods have been failures but I think it's because they didn't hold the Baptists under water long enough during rebaptism.
Posted by: Frank | Aug 11, 2009 11:40:23 AM
What they failed to mention is how many of these individuals are popping pills in an attempt to dull the pain of having to live a lie for society (or their family or church)'s benefit. You can't pray the gay away, folks. And anyone that teaches otherwise is an effing moron who most likely is trying to repress their own gay tendencies. Misery does love company.
I tell you what else, those 30% of people who say they are happy to be celibate are a bunch of liars. Who wants to be celibate?!?
Posted by: Mrs. M | Aug 11, 2009 12:20:59 PM
It's been several years, so I might not be remembering it correctly, but I just can't keep from thinking about Marty Feldman's Brother Ambrose quote: "Have you been celibate today?" "Yes, 4 times!"
Posted by: Dick Mills | Aug 11, 2009 12:30:49 PM
I think my Dad once said, "liars can figure and figures can lie>\."
Posted by: Bob Miller | Aug 11, 2009 12:32:18 PM
No sex for me in six years. Where do I turn in my gay card?
Posted by: RainbowPhoenix | Aug 11, 2009 12:40:22 PM
Quote: "NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--In findings that directly contradict mainstream academic thought..."
Any reasonable person reading this would see the huge red flag this opening statement throws.
Posted by: Bonnie_Half-Elven | Aug 11, 2009 12:48:09 PM
Just because you're not having sex doesn't mean you've "left" homosexuality. It's been a week for me, still gay.
Posted by: SammySeattle | Aug 11, 2009 1:50:53 PM
So anyone else notice that those nice, well meaning religious folk who dont actually have anything against gays are always the ones pushing this blatant anti-gay BS? I mean you think if you actually have the slightest bit of respect for a group you wouldnt cite literally any research, no matter how biased, unscientific or totally contradictory as proof their deranged dangerous sickos who need to be 'cured'?
Posted by: penguinsaur | Aug 11, 2009 1:52:58 PM
My favorite quote from the BP article: "The study actually began with 98 subjects, but 37 dropped out by the six-year mark for various reasons, Jones said. Some now considered themselves ex-homosexual and no longer wanted to be reminded about their past, while some went back to a homosexual identity and no longer trusted the researchers. Most of them, though, wouldn't return phone calls. "
In other words, more than 1/3 of your subjects wanted nothing more to do with you. Well, I guess that's science fer ya."
Posted by: WilliamM | Aug 11, 2009 1:57:22 PM
Is this the Jones-Yarhouse "study" that they concluded in 2007? The one where, as I remember, only had 98 original participants, and ended up with fewer than 80 of that original group? If so, then 53% of 80 (or 42 of the participants) is probably pretty close to the number of ex-gay-for-pay staffers that those "ministries" employ. I haven't read the book, or the "study" from 2007, so I am just guessing, but to me, this sounds a bit contrived.
Posted by: Dick Mills | Aug 11, 2009 1:58:51 PM
Dick: According to the BP article, this is some sort of update to the initial Jones-Yarhouse study.
Posted by: G-A-Y | Aug 11, 2009 2:01:45 PM
It sounds very much like all of the millions of dollars that these groups have appropriated over all of those years, was only sufficient to buy 42 (iffy at best) paid-converts. A far cry from the "thousands everyday" that they claim. To use my dad's vernacular, they're "lying sacks of shit."
Posted by: Dick Mills | Aug 11, 2009 2:18:30 PM
According to the BP article, 37% of the participants dropped-out of the study, so the 23% of success gay-to-straight converts is more like 14% or 14 participants:
"The study actually began with 98 subjects, but 37 dropped out by the six-year mark for various reasons, Jones said. Some now considered themselves ex-homosexual and no longer wanted to be reminded about their past, while some went back to a homosexual identity and no longer trusted the researchers. Most of them, though, wouldn't return phone calls."
Wouldn't return phone calls? If you were a conservative Christian 'cured' of your vile gayness, wouldn't you want to share your success and return researchers' phone calls? Or would you be too embarrassed to continue you participating in what has become a joke?
Posted by: Norm! | Aug 11, 2009 2:43:32 PM
The study said of those 14 "successes" that most of the individuals who reported that they were heterosexual did not report themselves to be without experience of homosexual arousal, and did not report heterosexual orientation to be unequivocal and uncomplicated.
Anyone who has a "complicated" heterosexuality and has same sex attractions is not heterosexual by any rational definition of the term.
Posted by: Priya Lynn | Aug 11, 2009 3:50:41 PM
ROFL. only 98 subjects? And part of those LEFT? 98 subjects isn't enough to do a high school science experiment, much less a reputable study!
Posted by: Yuki | Aug 11, 2009 9:53:36 PM
I did the ex-gay thing for almost 10 years. The longest self loathing years of my life. I have known around 8 or so people that have been through the ex gay thing. It does not work. While still in the ex gay ministry I was talking with a guy at church one day claiming to be cured! While staring at the hot guys ass across the room. This does not work. It will not work. We are who we are meant to be.
Posted by: jim casella | Sep 8, 2009 6:05:34 PM
Ping back:
http://pennib.blogspot.com/2010/01/homosexuality-can-be-cured_16.html
Posted by: Paul | Jan 17, 2010 8:38:42 AM
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