Good As You

I've been torn for years between my appreciation of Card's writings (specifically the Ender's Game series) and my utter disdain for his politics and religious beliefs. He's certainly entitled to his own opinion, but when you start trying to make that opinion law and speak of inciting revolution against anything perceived as "pro-gay", he just sounds like a moron. I can't believe some of my favorite books have come out of that head...

It really is heartbreaking; Ender's Game was one of the best books of my childhood, but penned by a man with so much hate for my lifestyle.

Someone's been writing too much science fiction. It's almost as if he expects the government to break down his door with laser blasters. There's definitely a layer of psychosis over his rantings. We must keep watch over him... he knows too much.

I guess I'm supposed to be outage by Mr. Card's beliefs - but it really hard too when he's being honest about what he believes. I can take someone's blunt feelings about homosexuality much more than the phony "love sinner, hate the sin" crowd any day.

Well yea, Alonzo, the honesty is refreshing. But when that honesty calls for the overthrow of gay-accepting government, you can still allow yourself a little room for outrage :-)

I was appalled when I found out Card's politikal philosophy. So much for buying anything of his any longer.

Strictly speaking, Card is not explicitly advocating the destruction of a government that recognizes same-sex marriages. He's douching out by casting the offensive phrase in a "what-if" scenario. "Hey, I'm not saying we should commit treason," he can plausibly argue, "I'm just asking how long it would be before somebody started arguing that way."

But in any event, yeah, fuck that crazy hack and his whole wackadoo cult.

The first paragraph of his quote is something that gay people know well. Gay people have their children forcefully taken away. Gay children or any children are force fed dogma from birth, and later in their schools that gay people are evil, threatening and nobody loves them.

And it's no wonder that the anti gay epithet has resulted in all manner of youth suicides, school shootings and disrupted families.
Evidently, his worst case scenarios are not a reality for the straight folks, but always have been for the gay folks.

Had any of this complaining and victim card playing weren't so selfish and self righteous, that moment of being able to wear the shoes of the other, to empathize with greater clarity the wrongness of exclusion, wouldn't be lost on supposedly fertile imaginations like Card's.

The real tragedy is, instead of seeing gays and lesbians as a vital ally against greater and shared threats, so much preoccupation, money and physical energy is spent on creating a monster of ordinary gay human beings instead, where none exists.

You'd think after the Holocaust, people would learn the folly of such weakness. Card should be old enough to know better.

To this day, I don't understand the argument that we "enter the homosexual lifestyle" because we've been sexually abused. Um, most people who've been sexually abused want to stay AWAY from sex, especially the particular sexual experience that was most traumatic for them. The people that perpetuate this myth seem to be saying that we become gay because we were abused by other gay people. What an utterly ignorant argument to make, on so many levels.

I read Ender's Game some time ago, and I have to say I didn't enjoy it all that much, even before I knew of Card's views. I think maybe the crazy just bled through.

At one time i had a lot of his books in my SF library, Befor i found out what he is, i don't have them now, nor will i ever pick up aney of his books now.

I will not spend aney money on someone who has hate in his hart, for the lgbt.

And i love to read.

"Do I think that there are extreme people on both sides of the movement that can say hateful things?"

The bigots always pull this bullshit, tossing up a handful of violent incidents *people want to kick your ass after you wreck their marriage? shocking* and pretending it means both sides are just as bad. When pressed about it they can never, ever name an example of a gay rights group with millions of dollars in support backing hateful picks, demonizing the opposition as sick perverts and just lying their ass off in general.

A while back, I read his most recent sequels to "Ender's Game" -- the sequels that follow the character Bean. Card's beliefs about how the homosexual mind works are just astounding. Of course his gay character's a villain -- and he goes around saying "Even perverts like me feel a deep divine longing to mesh with the opposite sex and have babies. After all, that's what life is all about."

Um... no, Orson, no.

Oh, and his take on feminism (in "Enchantment") is truly obnoxious.

Some of his books are wonderful, and I own them, so what the hell, I'll keep them. But I'm never buying anything of his ever again.

Why don't you just distort Mr. Card's position, Jeremy? The Democratic Party leadership in California and their homosexual lackeys do indeed intend to force these bizarre, unscientific definitions of "sexual orientation" and marriage on young children in government-run schools, i.e. "re-education centers," were it not for the efforts of such people as the backers and supporters of Prop. 8. And, if they do eventually succeed, Mr. Card's proposal to oppose the government is not extremist at all, whether violent or non-violent. Just as the Founding Fathers, and many if not most of their wives, sisters, mothers, and aunts, decided to oppose the governmental tax tyranny of the King of England.

Oh, Tom. What we always found more frightening than Mr. Card's comments is the possibility that some might actually agree with them. And now you've confirmed. Swell.

However, I'd love to know where the "distortion" is, considering this post features Mr. Card's full comments with a link to his entire article.

Apparently Tom S. was educated at home by a religious zealot. Seems he does want re-education, to a theocratic form of government. No thanks!